1)#ZomatoIPO : LONG THREAD: Once in a decade opportunity…. for some?
Is the IPO the golden opportunity for investors, as claimed by many? How much appreciation can one expect? A multi-year holding story or just a listing pop. This time it’s different, or is it? Let’s evaluate:
The authorized share capital of the Company is divided into 880 crore Equity Shares of face value Rs 1 each, paid-up share capital of the Company is Rs 666 crore.
IPO size: Rs 9,350 crore or $ 1.3 BN USD
Valuation of Zomato : Rs 66,000 crore or $ 8.8 BN USD
Ownership as below
Start with the balance sheet: We see B/S size increased almost 3 times in FY 21 vs FY 20. The equity infusion of Rs 7,643 cr in FY 21 just before IPO is not co-incidental? While this is not unusual for growth companies, this quantum change has an implications for shareholders.
The below net worth can provide some answers. We see that Zomato acquired entire Indian assets/operations of UBER Eats for Rs 2485 crores is $ 330 Mn appx. This happened in Jan 2020, right before the pandemic. This valuation is important as it offers clues to fair valuation.
So, what does the Uber Eats biz mean for Zomato? Well, its net worth increases 3-fold. That’s the change in balance sheet size we see above. What does this investment buy for Uber? A 9.1% stake in Zomato. That puts valuation of $ 3.5 BN on Zomato in Jan 2020 (before pandemic)
Uber sold the business in Jan 2020 when the world was still “normal”. That valuation should give a fair view of what a business is worth, just an year ago. So why did Uber Eats sell when the business was projected as so lucrative ? CNBC USA has this to say on valuation:
Hmmm, so valuation in Jan 2020 was abt $ 3.0 to $ 3.5 BN. That’s the rate at which Alibaba & Uber bought the stake, just before the pandemic. That grows to $ 8.5 BN in just 18 months ?.Did the market potential change so fast ? What changed ?
I’m intrigued to explore more about the valuation growth. Lets dig into that via the snapshot below. We see that valuation moved from $ 3 BN in 2020 (validatd by Uber Eats stake) moved to $ 3.9 BN in Dec 2020 to $ 5.4 BN in Feb 2021.
What’s more surprising is that the SAME investors are investing money at $ 3.9 BN & then at $ 5.4 BN ie 40% higher in just a span of 2 mths !! Well, if the owners have to sell something 3 times the price in 18 mths, they have to send “signals” that the venture is worth that much
I’m a bit more curious than to leave it here. May be the sales growth justifies this valuation. Start with the P&L statement. Now I find 2 things interesting (a) Sales numbers are down substantially from FY20 & (b)“Other expenses” are significantly less in FY 21. What’s the story
Zomato calls out drivers of sales & cost for below. What’s not easy to locate is sales from each segment. Majority revenue is for food delivery business. That depends on active users, frequency & order size, net of discount/promotions which are hidden in “other expenses” above
So why did the revenues drop in FY2021 ? Company says - covid lockdown impacted business. Surprising, since online giants grew faster in pandemic. And why should the average order size drop? More importantly, why did new restaurants enrollment didn’t increase much from 143 K odd?
Shouldn’t lockdown have increased enrollment of new restaurants, just like PayTM increased count of merchants accepting digital payments ? Possible that Zomato has hit the plateau on the restaurant enrollment. Avg order value also fell from Rs 400 odd to Rs 238. Sign of worry!
On monthly active users of 42 Mn, do you know that only 52% are from India & rest come from outside? No profitability details are provided for that analysis. We don’t know if global expansion is providing user base growth until IPO without any profitability. Try analysing that.
If this was not enough, there is another devil in details. Company changed its revenue recognition method midway. Earlier, Zomato counted delivery charges as revenue & netted off the discounts. Since Oct 2019, it converted to a “pure tech platform provider”, whatever that means
So Revenue now is the platform & facility fee provided to “delivery partners & restaurants”, & all promotions are included in advt/sales promotions expenses. Now how do you compare FY21 & 20 sales ? Isn’t it prudent to disclose revenues in both old & new methods of accounting?
This acountng change is also the reason why the “other expenses” have increased in FY 2019 to Rs 4000 crore & then dropped to Rs 1500 off crore in FY 21 in a listing year. That saves Rs 2500 crore which could have been a loss in promotions. How does that impact earnings ? Here:
Add this Rs 2500 crores to FY21 & the losses will be MORE THAN those in 2020. Vola….reduce sales promotion expenses in listing year & show a much lower loss. Agreed that sales is also lower but as discussed, revenue recognition changed midway so what sales do we compare with?
And what is this EPS calculation above ? When profits go up, EPS improves. Here we have losses. But the share base is also 25% up from FY 2020. So EPS (Loss) per share looks smaller than it actually is. As you can see, it is meaningless to compare EPS loss on increased share base
So how do we compare historical performance? There are some proxies that we can explore in absence of clear sales indicators & biz details. Look at employee costs. FY21 has 15% lower costs vs FY20. For a company harping on growth & such valuation, this drop doesn’t match up
I understand how some of you will say. It’s a new age company & I’m talking old school stuff. Yes, but at what price? Are there any price comparisons I can make to value Zomato ? I tried to look thru the document. It says “comparisons with other listed industry peers on page 122”
Curiously enough, I turn to page 122 & find this. Seriously ? You took this path to “disclose” there are no listed peers? Or may be that it was an after thought to not compare any listed peers as people would figure out the overpriced offer ? Well, let me save you the trouble
Curiously enough, I turn to page 122 & find this. Seriously ? You took this path to “disclose” there are no listed peers? Or may be that it was an after thought to not compare any listed peers as people would figure out the overpriced offer ? Well, let me save you the trouble
DoorDash got listed in US in Dec 2020 & valuations couldn’t have been any better. Here is what it is worth:
•IPO date: Dec 2020 (good timing again)
•Listing price: $ 190 & $ 62 BN mkt cap
•Current price: $ 178 & $ 58 BN mkt cap.
•Revenues: $ 2.8 BN
Here is how obscene the comparison looks. Sales drop but still hide much due to substantial accounting change. Order size fell & restaurant count has stagnated. DoorDash avg order size is $ 33 vs Zomato is just $4 per order. Assume 15% net margin, you buy Zomato at PE of 15,723
However, despite all this, Zomato’s valuation grows from $ 3 BN to 8.6 BN in 18 mths. Now that’s an innovation at Zomato that I’m not willing to pay for. I’m sure they’ll find many who would like to own “fools gold”. I’ll pass.
DoorDash got listed in US in Dec 2020 & valuations couldn’t have been any better. Here is what it is worth:
•IPO date: Dec 2020 (good timing again)
•Listing price: $ 190 & $ 62 BN mkt cap
•Current price: $ 178 & $ 58 BN mkt cap.
•Revenues: $ 2.8 BN
Here is how obscene the comparison looks. Sales drop but still hide much due to substantial accounting change. Order size fell & restaurant count has stagnated. DoorDash avg order size is $ 33 vs Zomato is just $4 per order. Assume 15% net margin, you buy Zomato at PE of 15,723
However, despite all this, Zomato’s valuation grows from $ 3 BN to 8.6 BN in 18 mths. Now that’s an innovation at Zomato that I’m not willing to pay for. I’m sure they’ll find many who would like to own “fools gold”. I’ll pass.
• • •
Missing some Tweet in this thread? You can try to
force a refresh
LONG POST: #EconomicTimes article
Why does the India bull look tired?
Over the past week, Indian equity markets are up almost 2% with the Nifty trending at 23,589. Retail investors are happy and renowned experts are going out and claiming it to be the ‘start of a new bull run’. However, there are a few who feel the next 10 years will be different from all the past boom periods that India has witnessed so far.
In the past two decades, the #Nifty50 has returned 12% annually. Smart investors believe the country can do far better than this number in the coming decade. But markets are cyclical in nature. There is a high chance that we might actually get lower annual returns compared to the past.
Markets have had a sizeable correction from the highs seen in last September peak. It has been a painful grind in the last six months for investors. For nearly 80% of them, the correction is somewhat a new phenomenon, and totally unexpected. These new investors had come in for linear returns and were trained to ‘buy the dips’. They had the best for the past 5 years, up until now.
When the story was about demographic dividend and companies rising to fulfill the unsatiable demand from young India, why should that come to a halt? Why do stocks correct after all when the going is so good? And why would foreign investors want to leave in such a hurry?
All great questions. For those who started after 2020, there are some valuable lessons to learn here. Well before they prepare for the next bull run.
What was driving the rise?
When you buy a stock, you buy a share in its earnings. The earnings per share (EPS) decides the price it should trade at (at least some of it). The other element comes from the market sentiment, which relies on future prospects for the current earnings. What India witnessed last five years was the boost on both these elements. Let us look at earnings first.
Nifty EPS was around INR430 by end of 2019. During the next 4 years, by the end of 2023, it rose to INR950. That is an astounding CAGR of 22%. If you looked at the historical 10-year trend till 2019, the range was much below 10%. This earnings surprise increased valuations. Common sense would tell you that Nifty should double too. And it did. From 12,500 to neat 25,000 rise was largely justified. At least in theory!
If we broaden this story and look at the entire listed corporate space, corporate profits jumped from around INR4 lakh crore (USD45 billion) to INR16 lakh crore (USD170 billion) during the same duration. This was nearly 4.8% of GDP. No wonder, we saw a bump in valuations across Nifty 500 Index.
Markets assumed the similar rate of growth and priced the stocks accordingly. Not to forget, the flow of domestic money to mutual funds provided more gas to stocks outside of Nifty 50. The mid- and small-cap stock prices grew significantly higher, at almost 30% CAGR for 4 years. This was far in excess of the EPS growth in these stocks.
This super growth phenomenon however is always shortlived. We’ve had these phases before. There is nothing new about this.
Look at the above chart for corporate earnings to GDP ratio, which is a very reliable indicator of how well the listed market is doing within the larger economy. We see that corporate earnings grew from 2.1% of GDP to 4.8% of GDP between 2020 and 2024. However, we can also see a similar rise to peak between 2003 and 2008, after which a period of slowdown began till 2019. While this doesn’t imply that the path will exactly be the same now, the key message is that earnings are cyclical. And so is the Indian economy.
Why did the markets fall and why now?
Though the market had accounted too much exuberance in 2024, it failed to recognise this EPS growth was never sustainable.
So, why did the earnings spike post 2020?
A confluence of factors resulted in earnings growth post 2020. Firstly, banks’ balance sheets were already clean after years of NPA write-offs post 2014. After pandemic, we had a sudden demand surge — IT services got huge demand boost from US, there was discretionary revenge spending by consumers & finally the govt capital expenditure increase 4 times to INR11 lakh crore (USD125 billion). All of this happened within 3 years. Indian retail credit penetration increased from 20% of GDP to 43% of GDP. So much of the consumer spending was done with credit binge too.
All that spending is behind us now. So, unless you have a reason to believe that the economy has drastically improved after 2020, it is safe to assume that the earnings growth will also correct. And this is already underway since 2024. Estimates for Nifty 500 companies is at 7% topline growth. This is just about keeping up with inflation.
For context, look at the topline growth for #Nifty500 companies below. It tells a similar story since 2010 where sales growth slowed after 2009. And then the huge spike after 2020.
While sales growth slowed by 2022, margins expanded, which concealed the slowing topline. That provided some cushion to the EPS story for a year. However, EPS can’t grow continuously if topline stagnates.
When will markets capture previous peaks?
Depends on your outlook on earnings and India’s economic growth. It is worth noting that after 2009, corporate earnings grew at single digits for next 10 years. Nifty 50 and Nifty 500 returns were in the range of 8% and 7%, respectively for the next decade.
The situation was not exactly the same then, and reasons may be different now. But the economy does go through a period of moderation after every exuberant cycle. So do markets.
The current correction should not be seen as a minor blip that recovers fast. It is unlikely to be a V-shaped recovery because it is not driven by a special event. It is a sales slowdown which has been in the making for 18 months now. Just that the earnings took some time to reflect that.
Thus, the recovery may take as much time as it takes for the consumer to recover. Also remember, the market slowdown impacts gross spending levels too. If you don’t have stock buoyancy, you are unlikely to buy bigger homes or take that exotic holiday. As government tries to contain fiscal deficit from 4.8% to 4.4% of GDP this fiscal year, the spending boost from the Centre may become difficult.
With history, it is safe to assume that junk stocks will not gain the glory they did. But eventually, markets do recover if the economy continues to march forward. That is the key here. If the GDP growth stays in 6% range, corporations will figure out a way to come out of the earnings stagnation. And some new winners will emerge.
My sense is that next 5 years may be a period of moderate growth in #India , wherein market absorbs the current high valuations. They may appear cheap on current earnings but are probably not accounting for likely slower growth in future.
Eventually, the returns from Nifty 500 are likely to be around 10% for the decade between 2021 and 2031. So, you will be fine as long as your portfolio is well balanced. Ignore the noise and get back to work. If you were expecting this to be a linear rise, then that assumption was never right to begin with.
One last thing
The comparisons that forever bullish gurus quote from US markets don’t apply to any other country. If you pick a historical point from US markets, you can prove almost anything. India story works differently too, unless the economy undergoes a drastic transformation, something like China had for last 30 years. While that is possible, it is also extremely rare.
And this is exactly where the bulls and the bears begin to differ substantially. You can take your pick. The perma-bulls continue the story of India imitating China growth. The story has been alive for 25 years now. Evidence and experience do not justify this thesis.
A healthy dose of realism is always good in investing. Else, you end up buying expensive con stories from faceless sellers who get rich with your money. Some of you may have realised that by now.
The India bull ran fast as it could. But it needs some well-deserved rest. Let it rest for now.
The chart is “corporate earnings to GDP”. Pls ignore the header. Numbers are fine.
Follow up Thread 🧵: Farmers Protests:
They’re back!
If Karl Marx were to hear about the farmers protests today, there is a chance that he would be back too. Just like the farmers are back with the same old MSP demand, that is not only un-justified but unethical too.#FarmerProtest2024
See the picture above Does the farmer in the picture needs a govt subsidy or support?
The gentleman circled in red is a typical rich farmer. What about those circled in blue, that are almost forgotten in background. Now who needs govt support? Who needs the MSP?
Marx would define these farmers as classic “Bourgeoise” that us “Proletariats” should fight against. But there is something that either motivates them or keeps them dis-satisfied.
What forces the wealthiest (Yes) ones to come out, protest for higher prices for farm produce?
Short Thread: HDFC BANK
Why are the FIIs selling the largest bank?
A classic case of different paradigms – You have a framework of valuation & begin to wonder why the world is not getting it? There are 2 options – Either understand the other paradigm or change yours. #HDFCBank
I’m not sure if you will change your valuation framework. But at the end of this post, you will definitely understand why FIIs may be selling.
I’ve always been perplexed by this comparison that I’ll share now. Let's take a quick dive -
Book size:
Look at the top 3 US banks that collectively control 45% of assets & lending amongst US banks. Compare the size & scale.
HDFC bank is appx 1/10th of a Bank of America(BOA) in assets. JP Morgan is 12x & Wells Fargo is 6x of HDFC in assets.
LONG THREAD: SBI Cards IPO Follow-up:
Revisiting the #SBIcards IPO thread (Mar-2020). IPO price - 755, price today - 768.
In Mar'20, I quoted "They say market is a great teacher. If this one makes money for investors, I definitely would have missed some lecture in investing".
Well, looks like some of us did learn something. Markets at all time highs, SBI cards is still flat since 3 years. I don’t want to sound arrogant claiming victory. We are all learning here. So let's revisit what SBI cards promised (or implied) & what it delivered. Here we go -
Cards in force & spends:
We see glossy numbers again in FY23 annual report: 22% YoY growth in cards,30% YoY in receivables. What is the benchmark? Is it good enough vs IPO projections? Why are the graphics starting from 2019, exactly when the pre IPO disclosures end ????
LONG THREAD: Golden Era for Indian Equities - Behind or Ahead ?
As Nifty crossed 20K, time to take stock of what returns to expect in future?
Examine the journey so far & a critical analysis on CAGR returns which are not quite the story we’re sold. Let’s go for a ride: 1/n
We’ve all heard this story. Had you invested in Sensex at inception in 1979, you got 660x returns, CAGR of ~17% . Simple math- Sensex started at 100 & now is hovering at 66,000.
If only making money was that easy. Argument is not that strong if we scratch below the surface.
2/n
I’ll make an effort to validate if there is more to this story than meets the eye. And there is.
As most funds like to present the market returns since inception in 1979, it is important to see the Indian stock market history in 4 distinct decades.
3/n