So Avalara is a Quiet Giant in SaaS -- that you don't know enough about

At $600m ARR, growing 38%+, it does something both boring AND hard

It sells tax compliance software to SMEs

5 Interesting Learnings: ⬇️⬇️⬇️⬇️⬇️
#1. 15,580 customers, up 20% year-over-year — or $40,000 per customer per year on average.

NRR is 107%, fairly consistently over the past 4 quarters. Good but not great for a $40k deal.

What they do is mission critical, so ACVs from SMEs are pretty high
#2. 1000 partners are key to their GTM strategy. And “in 950 of the partners, Avalara has no competition”.

Like HubSpot, Shopify and other leaders that sell sophisticated, $10k+ solutions to SMEs, partners are key to implementation.

They invest >heavily< here
#3. $180,000 revenue per employee. With 3,351 employees, Avalara is not that leveraged.

We’ve seen this with sales-driven SMB and SME leaders like Xero as well. If you are selling to SMBs, you have to be efficient. Especially if they need a lot of human interaction.
#4. 7% of revenues from prof services — which have 48% margins

Avalara leans on partners to do most of the heavy lifting here (see #2), but they still provide them for larger customers. They mark the services up about 2x. They don’t lose money on services.
#5. Driving upmarket to cross $1B in ARR, but $100k is still a big customer for them

Avalara is fueling growth to $1B ARR by pushing into $100k+ deals, but it didn't rush there.

Their core is still SME and it got to hundreds of millions of ARR while remaining SME focused:
And a few bonus notes

#6. It wasn't a rocketship to start.

Avalara was founded in 2004, took 16 years to hit the first $500m in ARR, in 2020.

But the compounding now is epic.
#7. Gross annual churn of 4%, NRR of 107%.

It’s great to see an SME leader disclose the combo of gross churn and NRR.
#8. Long-tail drive revenue.

Most of us underinvest in our partner ecosystem, see #2 above

A great visual here about how their 1000+ partners bring in revenue and deals for them:
#9. Finally, deal sizes are up across all segments — Small, Medium, & Large

Enterprise is $71k ACV, Mid-market is $36k, SMB is $23k, and small customers are $14k ACV

Deal sizes are all up over the past 24 mos outside of smallest customers

This is how most of us scale
A deeper dive here:

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So Freshworks hasn't been immune to macro issues, but its bigger customers continue to grow and scale at an impressive rate

It's at ~$600,000,00 ARR today, growing 20%. But the bigger customers are growing much faster.

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Freshworks is doubling down here
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They maximized what they could raise, with the minimum dilution

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A crummy startup? No, it’s fine. No Snowflake, but fine.

Rough commute? No, he still works from home.
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