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Jul 29, 2021 • 17 tweets • 6 min read • Read on X

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Greg Thompson still ragging on DeYoung:

"For the idea that it's too complicated, we're people that believe in the Trinity...and what we're talking about is a form of cultural accounting for 400 years is too complicated? This is a form of evasion."

Also this is false: "It's simply an arbitrary claim that he is making, that a generation or multiple generations absolves us of obligation. That is biblically and theologically false. He just asserts that. He doesn't defend it."

KDY spent 6 paragraphs, nearly 1,000 words on it

KDY didn't just say that the passage of time erases obligation. Nor did he say that reparations are simply too hard. Let's look at both of those separately (ugh, this is becoming a 🧵)

1) A key sentence in DeYoung's argument is: "Sometimes there are 'infinite difficulties' which prohibit us from determining who was wrong, who did the wrong, and how restitution could possibly be made in the present 𝙬𝙞𝙩𝙝𝙤𝙪𝙩 𝙞𝙣𝙛𝙡𝙞𝙘𝙩𝙞𝙣𝙜 𝙣𝙚𝙬 𝙬𝙧𝙤𝙣𝙜𝙨."

That is a concern found nowhere in Thompson or DeYoung's thought. They are the ones who assume guilt rather than argue for it. Whether they violate their white brothers' rights or fan the flames of covetousness against them, they couldn't care less.

2) In a single paragraph, KDY says time alone does not erase the culpability of slaveholding families for restitution, AND culpability for those unrelated to said slaveowners makes less sense. After spending so much time with the piece for 2+ rebuttals, Greg has to know this.

Getting harder and harder to see this as anything but willful misrepresentation.

More misrepresentation: "His big argument against reparations is that it is a threat to the the Christian doctrine of justification, because it leaves white people in a form of moral guilt. And part of what we're saying is you have changed the subject." (1/2)

"We're talking about this social and cultural reality. You're conflating that particular kind of moral and historical debt with another theological and eternal debt, which are not unrelated, but they're not the same." (2/2)

From the first clip: "Kevin modeled...a spiritualizing tendency, which is to say, 'We're going to talk about just theology, and we're not going to talk about history or economics and politics."

Survey says: Lolnope, you just ignored these passages completely in your responses

2nd clip, this is clearly the Galatian Heresy, and you get a window into the kind of double talk Paul was responding to.

"No, I believe in Jesus. Jesus is enough, this is a separate thing. But they're NOT UN-related, and this is a moral imperative for every Christian-"

What's more, DeYoung explicitly says he assumes they believe the gospel, and he is RESPONDING to THEIR "spiritualizing" of the issue.

"Critical race theory has been around since the 1980s. Why is it all of a sudden that every thought leader in the evangelical world is suddenly concerned about critical race theory?"

"Can we listen to theology that is being written from the margins of a social order? They are telling us what their experience is. They're telling us what it means to follow Jesus in their particular world. They are telling us the kind of salvation that they are looking for."

DeYoung/others talk about reformed theo as though it's not a tradition but "the thing" + everything else is aberrant, whether it's EO or Lutheran or RC...That is a particular pathology we have to get over or we're never going to really participate in the healing of this world.

Greg's pretty fired up about the backlash to "Kevin isn't a white supremacist but is advancing white supremacy"

"This is just a sign of the pathology that we're talking about. It's an inability to sort of live in truth. Frankly, I see their perspective as utterly incoherent."

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