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@PetriAspvik @jgreenhall @johnrobb @henriqgx @vervaeke_john @ForrestLandry19 @jim_rutt @redbeardbrian @jmkorhonen @okohonen @laril @JDMadden3 @MichaelGuimarin OK; the basic thing here is that the referent of 'society,' when most people use the word, is a way of organizing people into a proto-superorganism which is basically a dead end, for several reasons, one of which is that it structurally leads to what we're calling the meaning...

@PetriAspvik @jgreenhall @johnrobb @henriqgx @vervaeke_john @ForrestLandry19 @jim_rutt @redbeardbrian @jmkorhonen @okohonen @laril @JDMadden3 @MichaelGuimarin crisis. This involves information-theoretic issues wherein the current organizational mode creates bottlenecks for the flow of information from the 'bottom up,' which are actually inherent in the whole meta-way of relating to things which posits a 'bottom' and a 'top' and in...

@PetriAspvik @jgreenhall @johnrobb @henriqgx @vervaeke_john @ForrestLandry19 @jim_rutt @redbeardbrian @jmkorhonen @okohonen @laril @JDMadden3 @MichaelGuimarin which a dichotomy between 'bottom-up' vs. 'top-down' is even a natural distinction. As these bottlenecks lead to increasingly bad sensemaking by the collective w.r.t its contact with reality, choicemaking shifts to optimize something you might call a simulacrum of reality...

@PetriAspvik @jgreenhall @johnrobb @henriqgx @vervaeke_john @ForrestLandry19 @jim_rutt @redbeardbrian @jmkorhonen @okohonen @laril @JDMadden3 @MichaelGuimarin wherein there is motivated confusion between 'actual reality' and 'social reality;' this seems to happen as a result of the implicit need for the system to self-endorse w.r.t its own validity. So, because the sensemaking of the system is so poisoned by incorrect foundational...

@PetriAspvik @jgreenhall @johnrobb @henriqgx @vervaeke_john @ForrestLandry19 @jim_rutt @redbeardbrian @jmkorhonen @okohonen @laril @JDMadden3 @MichaelGuimarin assumptions about what sort of superorganism can be made, and be made sustainable, out of a substrate of boundedly rational apes, most optimizing power of the system goes towards maintaining the tensile strength of the charade that this particular category of proto-superorganism.

@PetriAspvik @jgreenhall @johnrobb @henriqgx @vervaeke_john @ForrestLandry19 @jim_rutt @redbeardbrian @jmkorhonen @okohonen @laril @JDMadden3 @MichaelGuimarin ...is not self-terminating. This then gets called 'the meaning crisis;' a critical failure mode is to assume that similar meaning crises are inherent in all emergent superorganisms made up of humans...this is the way of despair, and not true. Equally wrong is the idea that we...

@PetriAspvik @jgreenhall @johnrobb @henriqgx @vervaeke_john @ForrestLandry19 @jim_rutt @redbeardbrian @jmkorhonen @okohonen @laril @JDMadden3 @MichaelGuimarin can somehow tweak minor parameters of the current structure and end up with something sustainably alive...a much greater level of refactoring is required. I think that @jgreenhall and @ForrestLandry19 have gotten the basic diagnosis correct, and are executing a reasonalble...

@PetriAspvik @jgreenhall @johnrobb @henriqgx @vervaeke_john @ForrestLandry19 @jim_rutt @redbeardbrian @jmkorhonen @okohonen @laril @JDMadden3 @MichaelGuimarin search process, in terms of what sort of structures of organizing human superorganisms might not be automatically self-terminating, while also not being totally caste-based and agnostic to individual choice (we don't want to be eusocial insects, i think)

@PetriAspvik @jgreenhall @johnrobb @henriqgx @vervaeke_john @ForrestLandry19 @jim_rutt @redbeardbrian @jmkorhonen @okohonen @laril @JDMadden3 @MichaelGuimarin I think that's all for now ;-)