The FOIA’ed reports and proposals by @theintercept confirmed that there was extensive sampling of SARS-like viruses from thousands of animals and thousands of people in the SARS spillover zone in South China and SE Asia. All transported up to Wuhan over several years.
Even if the funding was revoked, it doesn’t mean the research program was scrapped.
The US funding of the Wuhan research was just symbolic ($600K over 5 years). The Chinese gov has more than enough millions to support its top researchers.
Can you please clarify what you mean by this, @peterdaszak?
“None provide anything more than supposition based on a false accounting of motives or misinterpretation of normal scientific communication & grant review.”
Are the statements in these FOIA’ed documents factual or not?
“Fieldwork involves the highest risk of exposure to SARS or other CoVs, while working in caves with high bat density overhead and the potential for fecal dust to be inhaled.”
There’s no need to suppose a motive - the data show chimeric SARS-like viruses in your program produced up to ~10,000x higher viral loads in the lungs of humanized mice compared to the parent virus. Some retained ability to cause severe disease in humanized mice like the parent.
Yet, the FOIA’ed documents show that the researchers continued to pitch this research workflow of generating chimeric viruses with unpredictable properties and testing them in cells and humanized animal models at BSL2 & 3 - even proposing to extend it from SARSrCoVs to MERSrCoVs.
It’s disappointing to see that people outside of China are not forthcoming with info directly relevant to the #OriginsOfCovid How many scientists, collaborators, administrators were aware of these docs?
The public only got to see 2014-2019 NIH reports from EcoHealth in Sep 2021.
How can we ask people inside of China to blow the whistle at risk of losing their life and liberty, if even the people outside of China are just sitting on top of info and documents immediately pertinent to finding the #OriginsOfCovid
Can the minority of people not blocked by Peter please help to get his attention? Feel free to screenshot this thread and tweet it @peterdaszak
Some interpreted Daszak’s tweet as unsubstantiated guesses. Meaning he has nothing but is telling people to expect evidence for a natural origin to appear out of thin air.
Experts, please stop doing that. Stop telling people what we will find unless you actually have the data.
Possible ways for a virus with an ancestral origin in bats to have made its way to Wuhan.
It's good that scientists are finding more bat viruses related to SARS2 in South China/SE Asia, but it still doesn't identify the route by which SARS2 arrived in Wuhan.
Yes, it took about a decade to track the closest bat virus relatives to SARS1.
But only 2 months from isolating the virus to find the proximal animal source in Guangzhou in 2003, and only days in 2004.
Despite less advanced technologies, Chinese investigators rapidly tracked down early cases, likely animal sources, and a well-substantiated path for SARS1 to have been introduced into human beings via the trade of infected animals. ayjchan.medium.com/a-response-to-…
Wish the @cnn@drsanjaygupta special was longer. Must have so much more valuable footage from each of the interviewees. Q&A with @PeterDaszak and Dr Ralph Baric was 👌 Thank you for having me on the show ☄️producer and team!
Take home messages were:
1. No definitive evidence for natural or lab origin - jury still out
2. No actual investigation of lab origin yet
3. Extensive SARS-related virus work done at low biosafety levels
4. Large pathogen database MIA
5. But natural origins still possible
Ancestral bat origin most likely according to most experts and WHO.
Problem is we don’t know how a bat virus evolved and transformed into the SARS2 virus that was detected in Wuhan in December 2019.
It’s difficult to reconcile this interview of the former DNI with the recent declassified summary by the IC. If there is compelling evidence of a lab origin (which I had heard of back in August) then why did the IC agencies largely not reach even low confidence conclusions?
“After inspection of the WIV biosafety laboratory, the WHO–China joint expert group also concluded that the introduction of SARS-CoV-2 through a laboratory incident was “extremely unlikely””
“as mentioned in the phase 1 joint report of the WHO-convened global study of origins of SARS-CoV-2, internal audit is a better alternative for all high-level biosafety laboratories worldwide to further exclude the “laboratory incident” hypothesis.”
“The real question is whether or not research has the potential to create or facilitate the selection of viruses that might infect humans.” theintercept.com/2021/09/09/cov…
“All but two of the scientists consulted agreed that, whatever title it is given, the newly public experiment raised serious concerns about the safety and oversight of federally funded research.”
Although the study describing 4991/RaTG13 for the first time and Latinne et al.’s paper were described as having been funded by the EHA grant, I didn’t see even a glimpse of the 9 Mojiang mine SARSrCoVs throughout the 900+ pages of text, phylogenetic trees and other figures.
@fastlerner@MaraHvistendahl@theintercept “they actually point out that they know how risky this work is. They keep talking about people potentially getting bitten—and they kept records of everyone who got bitten. Does EcoHealth have those records? And if not, how can they possibly rule out a research-related accident?”