Meltem Demirors Profile picture
Sep 27, 2021 18 tweets 7 min read Read on X
1/ a thread on cross chain liquidity - my talk from last monday at @MessariCrypto's #MainNet2021 but without the leather pants and on-stage tequila shot

what is liquidity and how does it work? liquidity is a measure of market depth - how quickly you can sell and at what price
2/ illiquid assets have poor price discovery and wide spreads, they're difficult to trade in size or trade quickly without having to pay a premium

liquid assets, on the other hand, have tighter spreads and are easier to trade in size at a moment's notice
3/ the workflow of a trade in traditional markets requires the constant moving of data between databases - creating entries and deleting entries forever

tradfi markets are ngmi - execution speed will *always* suffer due to the double spend problem and lack of settlement finality
4/ bitcoin's core innovation is enabling settlement finality for digital money ie data with robust security guarantees

basically, bitcoin was the first to turn computation into money
5/ the bitcoin network prices demand for secure financial transactions in the form of tsxn fees

ethereum prices demand for secure financial computation in the form of gas fees

blockchain networks make financial computation a fungible, priced asset
6/ as such, block space itself is a financial primitive

the demand for block space ie financial computation will persistently exceed supply on all networks

this has been the case since as early as 2017

so we make trade-offs to enable more financial computation on blockchains
7/ for commodities to be tradable, you have to be able to move it around in a cost effective manner - hence the creation of synthetic / paper contracts representing physical commodities

how do we make financial compute liquid and fungible?
8/ ENTER THE L2's
9/ the first experiment started in 2013, when Tether put dollars on the bitcoin blockchain via the Omni Relay protocol, effectively bridging USD liquidity into bitcoin

but not all stablecoins are created equal - tether still makes up 90% of daily crypto dollar velocity
10/ the next experiment was bridging Bitcoin onto Ethereum to be utilized as collateral in various DeFi protocols

nearly 1.5% of bitcoin is now used on Ethereum, but nearly all of this is fully custodial - again, trade-offs!
11/ the current experiment, given the demand for Ethereum block space exceeds its supply, is bridging Ethereum from L1 into L2

in the last two weeks, the TVL of ETH on L2 has grown explonentially
12/ to date, nearly $8 of TVL has been bridged from Ethereum into not only L2's, but also other L1's

in the quest for available and affordable financial compute, all assets are becoming fungible liquidity across all chains
13/ today, 8% of blockchain-based assets are used on other networks

over the next 12 months, i expect this will be over 50%

if you want to bet on this, lmk
14/ what's exciting about this is now anyone, not just boomers in blazers, can be a market maker and supply liquidity

it makes markets absolutely massive. it makes liquidity possible in ways that we've never imagined before. it blows the doors open on the fungibility of assets.
15/ we can put the FUN back in FINANCIAL COMPUTATION

assets are now interoperable across L1 and L2, and can be made liquid and fungible. liquidity itself is becoming a fungible asset.

mind. blown.
15/ and crypto markets are just the beginning.

at @CoinSharesCo, we believe blockchain-based financial computation will eat all markets.

every market will be on-chain, global, and trading 24/7/365

they just don't know it yet
16/ to read or download the whole presentation, see drive.google.com/file/d/1Pp0g0q…

if you wanna chat or are building liquidity focused primitives, DM me. our team at CoinShares would love to talk and see how we can bring liquidity to your network.
17/ i apologize in advance for any typos or conceptual leaps, i made this presentation on a red-eye flight and i'm still wrapping my brain around things

i'm always happy to trade notes, so feel free to DM me if u disagree or if u wanna help me get the framing tighter

/fin

• • •

Missing some Tweet in this thread? You can try to force a refresh
 

Keep Current with Meltem Demirors

Meltem Demirors Profile picture

Stay in touch and get notified when new unrolls are available from this author!

Read all threads

This Thread may be Removed Anytime!

PDF

Twitter may remove this content at anytime! Save it as PDF for later use!

Try unrolling a thread yourself!

how to unroll video
  1. Follow @ThreadReaderApp to mention us!

  2. From a Twitter thread mention us with a keyword "unroll"
@threadreaderapp unroll

Practice here first or read more on our help page!

More from @Melt_Dem

Jan 22
1/ gave a talk last week on "energy, compute, crypto" - the three pillars of the modern economy and the converge of three trillion dollar investment themes

sharing the slides and full deck - let's rip 👇
2/ compute rules capital markets

Nvidia was the big story in 2024, but Broadcom cracked the top 10 too and TSMC cemented its place alongside the rest of the Mag 7

expect 2025 to continue this trend as energy and compute carry capital markets Image
3/ while everyone was loading up on semiconductor names, energy had its own quiet rally

Vistra, an independent power producer, outperformed Nvidia and Bitcoin

this year, we'll see more focus on the US grid which is by far the greater bottleneck than GPUs Image
Read 22 tweets
Jan 10
1/ ok i think i have finally sort of gotten to the root of my issue with DePIN as a category

data gathering / observability is step one but it is in and of itself not a valuable exercise. generating tons of new data doesn't unlock billions of $ from buyers for this data.
2/ the bottleneck isn't data but rather actionable insight

the real value in data is *understanding whats going on* and then *doing something* with all of that data that generates economic value, either through unlocking revenue (top line) or lowering cost (bottom line)
3/ DePIN feels like people strapping sensors to things and then trying to sell data (of questionable value) and then saying later there's something else that they can do through that aggregation

some projects enabling optimization w data w various degrees of automation
Read 6 tweets
Nov 7, 2024
1/ quick rip on why @Polymarket matters and why the future of information is markets

markets are efficient at pricing information. if you have information or insight that others don't, there's a huge opportunity to generate alpha. alpha generation requires information edge. Image
2/ the last few months show distrust of main stream media (MSM) and formal, credentialed sources of information is at an all time high.

so where is information coming from?
- citizen reporters on X
- indie media / podcasts

and markets will price the signals generated Image
3/ not all markets are equal - liquidity is key. more liquid equals more better.

see the divergence in odds btw Polymarket and Kalshi. Polymarket had 10x the liquidity -> higher signal.

market microstructure also drives differences but the effect is more subtle imho Image
Image
Read 6 tweets
Aug 14, 2024
1/ melts and kaledora, sitting in a tree
talking about commodities

thanks to @EV3Research @MoneroMahesh @DAnconia_Crypto for hosting me and @kaledora @OstiumLabs for bringing the rizz

slides and commentary 👇 below the jump Image
2/ history of oil and what it can teach us about DePIN

standard oil - rockefeller started by horizontally integrating and rolling up refineries, and then realized operating leverage would come from controlling the upstream inputs and the downstream transport and retailing
Image
Image
3/ we are starting to see DePIN ecosystems repeating this playbook. @helium has gone from deWi to building generalized DePIN infrastructure. @hotspotty started with deWi optimization software and is now building a broader DePIN aggregation platform.
Read 13 tweets
Dec 8, 2023
1/ quick notes and data points from the discussion @kellyjgreer and i had at @PubKey_NYC last night

'tis the season of the most hated rally - bitcoin is ripping and macro folks are not happy about it

jamie dimon and elizabeth warren seem especially mad 😠 max cope incoming Image
2/ bitcoin pricing is driven by FLOWS

it's tempting to get lost in piles of analysis but as we'll discuss later on, the key to understanding is looking at open positions, trade volume, inflows and outflows

sentiment doesn't matter until it's expressed as a trade Image
3/ bitcoin is highly reflexive

i had a moment of enlightenment a few years back. i used to believe narrative -> sentiment -> flows -> price but it's really much simpler

price drives action

this is what @saylor $MSTR has perfected. buy, price goes up, follow with narrative Image
Read 17 tweets
Jul 18, 2023
1/ a short summary of a recent talk on silicon, satoshis, and superpowers

power in our world is changing. a decade ago, oil and gas companies and banks ruled markets. now it's tech companies and financialization runs rampant (>100x P/E ratios etc) Image
2/ as our lives become increasingly digitized, value creation is happening on a new frontier, and a handful of industries and companies are well positioned to capitalize on this shift Image
3/ this is also impacting the geopolitical landscape. we live in a multipolar world, and power has historically been dependent on the ability of a nation to secure access to natural resources, namely oil Image
Read 15 tweets

Did Thread Reader help you today?

Support us! We are indie developers!


This site is made by just two indie developers on a laptop doing marketing, support and development! Read more about the story.

Become a Premium Member ($3/month or $30/year) and get exclusive features!

Become Premium

Don't want to be a Premium member but still want to support us?

Make a small donation by buying us coffee ($5) or help with server cost ($10)

Donate via Paypal

Or Donate anonymously using crypto!

Ethereum

0xfe58350B80634f60Fa6Dc149a72b4DFbc17D341E copy

Bitcoin

3ATGMxNzCUFzxpMCHL5sWSt4DVtS8UqXpi copy

Thank you for your support!

Follow Us!

:(