First of all, this gross utilitarianism (people will die but it will be worth it) has no place in the development of complex, safety-critical systems. If you aren't principled about safety, you won't get it. Just ask Uber ATG... oh wait, they don't exist anymore!
Uber ATG bought into this utilitarian logic, it cut corners on safety in the development process, and it killed an innocent human being. What it never saw was the implicit payoff: a technical advantage arising from its embrace of these deaths as inevitable and worth it.
Today, Uber ATG no longer exists. There are lots of lessons to be learned from their experience, but the most important part is that rushing and cutting corners on safety only causes innocent deaths and delivers no advantages: thedrive.com/tech/27023/10-…
One valuable thing that did come out of that tragedy, besides some sector-wide clarity about what works and what doesn't in this tech, was a safety case framework later adapted by @aurora_inno.
If Musk really wants to convince the public that he cares about the "reality of safety," in spite of his flouting of the sector's consensus on basic safety measures, he could show the work Tesla has done to measure and ensure safety in its driving automation. A safety case.
Ultimately, the "perception of safety" does matter here because AV developers must ask the public to trust their technology with their lives. Even if cutting corners (e.g. testing on the public) could deliver advantages (it won't), every death hurts public trust of all AVs.
Tesla's design decisions in, and communication about, driving automation technology have already contributed to multiple deaths, some of which were misreported as being "AV crashes." Musk has already done more to harm public trust in this technology than literally anyone else.
I don't think the industry wants a fight with Musk. I think most of the leaders in the AV sector would love to have him as a leader in, and advocate for the technology they are so passionate about. But it's this risk tolerance, this embrace of death, that makes Musk anathema.
The public faces a stark choice here: between one firm's utilitarianism that says anyone killed by an in-development AV is the cost of doing business, and a broad consensus that every crash, injury and death must be avoided in a principled way. Which would you trust your life to?
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I'd like to take this moment to say: these reviews affirm my impression, first formed long ago, that Rivian has cultivated an effective blend of traditional automotive values and high-tech startup culture. Much remains to be proven, but a very promising, balanced blend so far.
Every time one of these half-baked camera-only nightmares crashes, taking out emergency responders or innocent bystanders, someone somewhere decides they will never get in an autonomous vehicle (which Teslas are not). Tesla is a menace to public adoption of this life-saving tech.
Blurring the line between driver assistance and autonomy (#autonowashing) not only leads to misuse of Autopilot and more crashes, but it also leads to misreporting of said crash as being by an "autonomous vehicle"... which leads to lower trust in a technology Tesla doesn't have.
Academics: unscrupulous ADS developers will use unsuspecting humans as a "moral crumple zone" to protect their imperfect systems from the moral consequences of inevitable failure
Unsuspecting humans:
The only thing @m_c_elish didn't predict in this mess was that toxic social media-fueled consumerism would make serving as a "moral crumple zone" a status symbol papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cf…
"How is this different than what AV developers are doing?"
There is a fundamental difference between using highly-trained professionals as safety operators and pushing dangerously immature ADS software to any clout-chasing rando gullible enough to pay for the pleasure.
Big news from @nurobots: they're building a test track and factory in Nevada, where they will develop and test autonomous delivery vehicles on a platform supplied by BYD. Huge partnership and step forward for this exciting AV developer! businesswire.com/news/home/2021…
BYD has been talking about US market ambitions for ages, but I certainly didn't predict that the first light vehicle (not bus) to leverage a BYD platform in this country would be an AV! Will be interesting to see how this platform supplier business plays out for them.
Meanwhile, after decades of EV analysts looking down their noses at the less-energy-dense lithium iron phosphate chemistry pioneered by BYD, even Tesla is following BYD's lead and expanding its use of the heavier but cheaper and safer chemistry.
It is so, so disappointing to hear this kind of clueless, conspiratorial ranting from someone who is formally associated with the Society of Automotive Engineers.
Just Facebook-tier boomer cringe, from start to finish.
"Are we going to see General Motors or VW or Mercedes or any of the other car companies... are we seeing what they've come up with?
No! It's crap. It's crap. I've driven almost every self-driving car, or even Autopilot car, and it's crap."
Had Munro tried to engage with the substance of Autopilot safety concerns as clearly established by multiple NTSB investigations, we might have a debate on our hands. He didn't even try. Just straight to conspiracy theories and righteous boomer anger.
It is only with decades of hindsight am I beginning to appreciate how profoundly my psychic development was affected by carpooling with a family that owned a brand new Toyota Previa when I was in second grade.
Friends, it felt like the future. It felt like... mobility innovation
It looked and felt like something from Star Trek: ovoid and aerodynamic from the outside, airy and spacious on the inside. A huge moonroof and swiveling second-row captains chairs were like nothing I'd seen on a van before. I still remember looking up and watching the rain fall.
I thought that the most lasting impact riding in that van would leave me with was a traumatic response to the Little Mermaid soundtrack, but instead that light blue Previa became my archetype for automotive futurism. To this day it's the standard every robotaxi must live up to.