Let's get a few things clear about this declassified ODNI assessment (ODNI: Office of the Director of National Intelligence) : washingtonpost.com/national-secur…
First as is written on page 2:
"This assessment is based on information through August 2021."
In other words it does NOT include any information that has come up since the summary assessment of 26th Aug 21. dni.gov/index.php/news…
In particular it does not include the DEFUSE revelations (especially about the FCS).
Or the latest revelations that show that GoF on BatCoVs was indeed happening within the WIV.
It is based on data frozen in time - nothing new since the summary report: dni.gov/index.php/news…
In a way it is rather misleading to publish such a declassified assessment without including the latest information available.
What I would instead expect is an updated assessment.
There is at least one factual error, which is a bit surprising:
RaTG13 is not RaTG16 - in other words it was collected in 2013 not 2016.
(h/t @TheEngineer2)
There is also a rather surprising logical error - which has no place in an intel report (@dasher8090).
The reports uses naive probabilities instead of properly conditioned ones:
- 99% or so of hunters/farmers/merchants infections will NOT result in a first breakout in Wuhan
Wuhan is just one of 100+ cities in China with more than 1mln inhabitants, wet markets and transport links.
- but close to 100% of Wuhan laboratory workers infections during a field sampling trip WILL result in a first breakout in Wuhan.
Hence if you observe a first breakout in Wuhan, the relative probability of it being the result of a field sampling infection is orders of magnitude more than if you observed a first breakout in an average village or city from which nobody goes sampling BatCoVs for a lab.
The error is repeated in the next paragraph, which again ignores that the first breakout was very clearly in Wuhan.
Additionally the logic there ignores the equivalent chance of asymptomatic field sampler or lab worker.
It's rather sloppy intel work, or a badly worded doc.
All the more surprising that the asymptomatic researcher point is correctly made later in the report:
Last, one of the statements may unfortunately lead to people mixing up a distance argument with the location argument.
The point below is only about complicating the search for a zoonotic spillover. It does not affect at all the validity of the Wuhan location argument.
The Wuhan location argument is not a distance argument. It is a location of first breakout argument - basically an exclusivity argument.
One intel agency got it right and correctly concluded that a research-related accident was more probable than a zoonosis:
Not only that but they also noted the key point that:
"WIV researchers who conducted sampling activity throughout China provided a node for the virus to enter the city."
This is exactly what I highlighted many times before.
A bit of logic and analysis work is all you need - but I am surprised to see that many of the intel agencies did not pick it up.
@CD57227 @JanKlimkowski @Florin_Uncovers @DavRoeck @R_H_Ebright @emilyakopp @zeynep Your link does not work unfortunately. Can you give one that works?
Quite a few foundations there (Stiftungen).
@CD57227 @JanKlimkowski @Florin_Uncovers @DavRoeck @R_H_Ebright @emilyakopp @zeynep - Schweizerische Eidgenossenschat, Bundesamt für Kultur (BAK) (some funding if 10% is shot in Switzerland)
- Zürcher Filmstiftung
- Stiftung Volkart
- UBS Kulturstiftung
- Stiftung Corymbo
- Ernst Göhner Stiftung
@CD57227 @JanKlimkowski @Florin_Uncovers @DavRoeck @R_H_Ebright @emilyakopp @zeynep Zürcher Filmstiftung
CHF 60,000 to develop the project, on 16Mar 2021: filmstiftung.ch/die-forderung/…
@CD57227 @DavRoeck @Florin_Uncovers More details. Daszak had a work/vacation at end Oct 2022 during which he went top What Khao Ching Pan, but that was before the filming.
The filming occurred during the first two weeks of December.
Note that Daszak went vi Zurich and shared the flight to Bangkok with Markolin.
He often does that for key people: Farrar from Geneva to London in Feb 2020, Koopmans from Wuhan to Amsterdam after the 2021 WHO mission, etc.
@ebright @JanKlimkowski @Tantalite
@CD57227 @DavRoeck @Florin_Uncovers One key point is that Daszak was taking some journalists in a SEA trip at that very time, to gather support (especially related to his poached Lao samples problems with Latinne et al).
1/12 Nice article by @stephaniebenz and @yohanblavignat summarizing the situation as to the origins debate.
It captures very well the absurd cheap certitudes of the 100% zoonosis fans, and the questions that such a rush to close an existential debate raises. lexpress.fr/sciences-sante…
2/12 If asked, I would say that after the wise 50/50 position that any scientist should have initially considered, most of the developments have been towards a research-related accident, with many predictions there coming true,
3/12 On the contrary, the ground has been weakening under the zoonotic side, with demolished market papers, no animal reservoir identified, and a lot of time wasted on candidate pangolins and racoon dogs.
Flo Debarre is mentioned here as someone jumping to conclusions that are in fact essentially speculations (the whole raccoon dog saga),