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Let's get a few things clear about this declassified ODNI assessment (ODNI: Office of the Director of National Intelligence) :
washingtonpost.com/national-secur…
First as is written on page 2:
"This assessment is based on information through August 2021."

In other words it does NOT include any information that has come up since the summary assessment of 26th Aug 21.
dni.gov/index.php/news…
In particular it does not include the DEFUSE revelations (especially about the FCS).

Or the latest revelations that show that GoF on BatCoVs was indeed happening within the WIV.

It is based on data frozen in time - nothing new since the summary report: dni.gov/index.php/news…
In a way it is rather misleading to publish such a declassified assessment without including the latest information available.

What I would instead expect is an updated assessment.
There is at least one factual error, which is a bit surprising:

RaTG13 is not RaTG16 - in other words it was collected in 2013 not 2016.
(h/t @TheEngineer2)
There is also a rather surprising logical error - which has no place in an intel report (@dasher8090).

The reports uses naive probabilities instead of properly conditioned ones:

- 99% or so of hunters/farmers/merchants infections will NOT result in a first breakout in Wuhan
Wuhan is just one of 100+ cities in China with more than 1mln inhabitants, wet markets and transport links.

- but close to 100% of Wuhan laboratory workers infections during a field sampling trip WILL result in a first breakout in Wuhan.
Hence if you observe a first breakout in Wuhan, the relative probability of it being the result of a field sampling infection is orders of magnitude more than if you observed a first breakout in an average village or city from which nobody goes sampling BatCoVs for a lab.
The error is repeated in the next paragraph, which again ignores that the first breakout was very clearly in Wuhan.

Additionally the logic there ignores the equivalent chance of asymptomatic field sampler or lab worker.

It's rather sloppy intel work, or a badly worded doc.
All the more surprising that the asymptomatic researcher point is correctly made later in the report:
Last, one of the statements may unfortunately lead to people mixing up a distance argument with the location argument.

The point below is only about complicating the search for a zoonotic spillover. It does not affect at all the validity of the Wuhan location argument.
The Wuhan location argument is not a distance argument. It is a location of first breakout argument - basically an exclusivity argument.

One intel agency got it right and correctly concluded that a research-related accident was more probable than a zoonosis:
Not only that but they also noted the key point that:
"WIV researchers who conducted sampling activity throughout China provided a node for the virus to enter the city."
This is exactly what I highlighted many times before.

A bit of logic and analysis work is all you need - but I am surprised to see that many of the intel agencies did not pick it up.

researchgate.net/publication/35…
Overall my impression is that some intel agencies did a bit of a superficial work not thinking this through in probabilistic ways.

Also the form of the document makes it a bit disjointed - it's a summary of positions, not an intel briefing that would formulate a cohesive view.

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1/6 Why on earth did Gerald Keusch think he could write in these terms to @drsanjaygupta?

👉🏻 "do better to clarify and not further muddy the sewage left over from the behavior of the US gov. toward China"

That was just after the CNN interview of Dr. Redfield on 27 March 2021. Email correspondence discussing the origins of COVID-2, highlighting misunderstandings between Dr. Keusch and Dr. Gupta regarding U.S.-China relations.
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Daszak and Keusch are just annoyed that CNN dared interview him. Dr. Robert Redfield discusses COVID-19 origins on CNN, surprising Sanjay Gupta with his view on a Wuhan lab.
3/6 The opening is mad:

"You totally missed the point with your comments about the origins of CoV-2. Whether or not the virus was even in the Wuhan Institute of Virology or there was an accidental release, CoV-2 originated as a spillover from bats and ultimately to humans." A chaotic live broadcast features a glowing green container labeled "WIV - Dangerous Viruses" and a heated discussion on virus origins involving bats.
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Simon Wain-Hobson (Institut Pasteur) gave a talk to NIH officials last month.

He told them Collins and Fauci committed a "professional failure" by sterilizing debate on dangerous virus research.

He said Proximal Origin had "no data", and lab leak likely.
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André Lwoff Prize, Athena Prize from the French Academy of Sciences, Officier de la Légion d'Honneur, OBE (Order of the British Empire, 2022 list) for services to virology.

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1/8 Nod (@nizzaneela) has updated his paper demolishing Pekar et al's claim of 'two introductions'.

v3 is more accessible, same brutal conclusion: the supposed support for two spillovers is an artefact of rigged hypothesis testing.

arxiv.org/html/2502.2007…Image
2/8 Quick recap: Pekar et al claimed a Bayes Factor of 60 for two introductions.

After three major errors were found (including a bad cut-and-paste!), it dropped to 4, just at the noise level border. Image
3/8 Nod later showed that the 4 is still wrong.

The one-introduction model was tested against stricter conditions than the two-introduction model, which is basic statistical malpractice.

Under the same conditions, the Bayes factor is <0.25.
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2️⃣ The complete ODNI BSEG composition as of Sep 2020—never published before.Image
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3/24 BSEG stands for Biological Sciences Experts Group.

3️⃣ Additional context on early briefings, biosafety concerns, and international collaborations.

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