"Porn consumption is an individual choice"="drug consumption is an individual choice". Without making an exact equation (cause women are not dead substances) there can be severe adverse effects on other people in your environment and there often are during the production process.
Like porn doesn't drop from the sky. It has to be made. There's usually at least 1 other person behind the camera. Often a whole team. Often there's a pimp involved. Then there are the distributors. You realize this about drugs (I hope) - you have to understand the same for porn.
If you smoke weed ur cousin grew on a balcony- don't care. If you're consuming drugs distributed by organized crime - there's tangible ethical concern. If you read erotica ur friend wrote - don't care. If you're consuming porn, you cannot be sure smn wasn't traumatized to make it
Obvs many types of drugs are way more harmful to the consumer than porn and people do drugs often out of pain and distress - so consumption is not a choice for many. Although porn consumption for my generation isn't really an individual choice either, we are socialized into it...
...and while the government may be able to grow weed or poppies under controlled conditions or make drugs in a lab to an extend, it cannot "grow" women for the sex trade, they have to be recruited from the local poor or come in/be brought in from abroad to fill the demand.
So, both of these issues are quite complex and I am and can not be covering it all here. That's the point of the thread: Whatever is being consumed - you study the consumer, their environment and the production process. It's so not about "does individual x feel good consuming y".
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Don't understand how Western academics studying global south women & kids exploited by "sex tourists" aren't embarrassed when they argue that these groups are "constructed as vulnerable". Socioeconomic power, white and male privilege are real everywhere - except here apparently🤡
Reading an article by a Candian "feminist" researcher interviewing women in Brazil, inc. favela communities, concluding that they're going through a "moral panic" and that really white men aren't doing any particular harm when they purchase access to women from these communities.
This Canadian "feminist" researcher is crying that women in Rio Grande do Norte, Brazil who organized massed anti-rape protests were against "sex tourism" & had slogans like "We scream that we are women and not World Cup souvenirs, that we are women and not commodities." The gall
15 months probation for 🇩🇪 man who ran illegal brothel advertising 3 women on a legal prostitution website. 1 woman was a rejected asylum seeker whom he forced to be raped by 42 men. 1 woman says she chose to be there. 1 was too terrified to speak in court. 15. Months. Probation.
Tell me again how prostitution & trafficking are totally separate when women are advertised on the SAME websites & are in the SAME brothels (thats assuming the woman who says she chose to sell sex next to the trafficking victim really did and isn't speaking from a place of fear).
Sexual torture of women and girls in Germany gets you less than 5 years prison time or just probation. We have a long track record of this:
I dont care to be polite here: The actual brain worms of liberal feminism. I discuss #surrogacy disproportionately exploiting impoverished "third world" women, interfering with their bodily autonomy & sometimes killing them and the response is "you don't respect women's choices".
Replace surrogacy with the sale of kidneys and you see exactly how insane and neoliberal you sound. Poor people are not wealthier peoples organ farms. Poor women are not baby farms. The small numbers of altruistic surrogates carry many of the same severe medical risks ffs.
Where the comparison falls apart is that of course people give kidneys to loved ones. But this is when people are DYING. Nobody is dying from lack of genetic children. Genetic children are not a right when it requires the use of someone else's body.
In many places of the world the sex trade was created or vastly expanded by colonisers and military. Those roots have morphed into modern "sex" tourism. Its rape when a man exploits the desperate poverty of racialized women in countries his military tried to brutally control.
Online you can see white wealthy "sex" tourists posting images of themselves with Asian women on their laps. The women frown in every picture, the men gleeful, cause they can act like brutal kings by virtue of their wealth that came in part from not letting her country up for air
The modern "sex" tourism industry continues to hold women and girls (duh "sex" tourists rape kids) and their countries' economies hostage. "What else will feed these families?" Families that often have to hand over daughter after daughter cause this system isn't supposed to end.
I don't recall where I read this, but the #surrogacy story of a famous rich single man managing to exploit three different women just came back to me vividly: First the egg donor, then the "surrogate" mother and finally the nanny, because he's not doing the childcare...
Egg donors tend to be chosen for genetics, so they're catalogued to genetic father by looks, intelligence, family health history. They're usually poor university students who need money to keep studying. Egg donation carries significant medical risks incl. infertility and death.
Women who do modern surrogacy (where the baby is not genetically related to them, back in the day surrogacy also meant prostitution to/rape by the genetic father) also strongly tend to be marginalized. The industry likes to outsource this "job" to women in impoverished countries.
Discussing the fragility of subsistence in and the volatility of the sex trade which is impacted by economic and social factors, as well as any changes in law is fair when debating the Nordic Model. Saying women "who love sex work" will be forced underground makes no sense though
By definition, if you chose to be in the sex trade and you're not forced by a third party or by economic factors - you have alternatives. That's what "voluntary" means. So that small group of women can quit anytime - by definition - and don't need anyone's advocacy.
In fact,they can keep selling sex in a NM system still if they want to. Likely they will see the prices increase, too. In the initial period when there is a drop in sex buyers, they can weather that best, so I really don't understand why so many people think they need protection?