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Michael Shellenberger

@shellenberger

Feb 17

The CIA said it could find no information on Epstein, but it did not deny that it has classified records. It must release them, says @RepNancyMace in a letter to @CIADirector John Ratcliffe. Mace cites evidence suggesting ties between Epstein and the agency going back decades.

The Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) could find no information relating to Jeffrey Epstein, it told the financier convicted of child sex trafficking in 2011. “We searched for CIA-originated responsive records that might reflect an open or otherwise acknowledged Agency affiliation from 5 November 1999,” said the CIA in a letter to Epstein’s attorney, “to 25 July 2011… We were unable to locate any information or records.”

But there are reasons to believe that the CIA does have records on Epstein, says Rep. Nancy Mace (R-SC) in a letter she sent today to CIA Director John Ratcliffe.

“Epstein did business or had ties to individuals who were involved in the CIA’s Iran-Contra scandal,” noted Mace. “Epstein had contact with powerful diplomats, including former CIA Director William Burns, and representatives of foreign governments, including a UK official who recently was forced to step down after it was revealed that he gave Epstein confidential financial information.”

Mace is one of the four Republican congressmen who broke with President Donald Trump to force a vote on the Epstein Files Transparency Act, which does not require the CIA or other intelligence agencies to disclose what they know. The other members were Thomas Massie, Lauren Boebert, and Marjorie Taylor Greene.

The CIA did not immediately respond to a request for comment from Public. We will update this story if we hear back.

It may be that the CIA has no information about Epstein, whose emails show him repeatedly contacting many powerful individuals, and it would be wrong to presume guilt simply through an association. In recent days, some figures have been forced to step down from prominent roles without any evidence of wrongdoing. Through a spokesperson, Burns said he recalled meeting with Epstein twice, “more than a decade ago as the Ambassador was preparing to leave government service… He never met with him again. They had no relationship.”
William Burns testifies before a Senate Intelligence Committee hearing on his nomination to be director of the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) on Capitol Hill in Washington,DC,on February 24, 2021. (Photo by TOM BRENNER / POOL / AFP)

But Burns acknowledged that he was in a powerful State Department role at the time and did not say what they discussed. The Wall Street Journal reported in 2023 that Burns “had three meetings scheduled with Epstein in 2014, when he was deputy secretary of state, the documents show. They first met in Washington and then Mr. Burns visited Epstein’s townhouse in Manhattan.”

And Mace notes that the CIA’s National Resources Division (NR) “would likely have had extensive contact with Epstein over the years, given its focus on debriefing high-level business people and investors who travel frequently abroad, do business with foreign officials, and who have links to restricted areas, which Epstein appeared to have.”

Last September, Rolling Stone journalist Daniel Boguslaw reported in Unherd, “Two former CIA officers and one former intelligence official told me that the NR is conspicuously absent from the Epstein debate. This, even as the NR must have conducted interviews with the man going back decades. The NR should also have maintained records of those conversations, according to all three officials.”

The CIA formed NR, Boguslaw noted, in 1991 to recruit foreigners in the US to spy abroad and to debrief Americans who travel frequently overseas, thereby gathering intelligence.

“It is inconceivable, given Jeffrey Epstein’s travel record and associations, that he was not approached by the NR at some point before his death,” a former CIA officer told Boguslaw. “It would have left the New York NR division in the lurch not to have contacted him…Every walk-in, every contact, every handling, every meeting, every termination — you are supposed to document it in official cable traffic.”

None of this is proof that the CIA worked with Epstein. Some prominent figures have stepped down simply for an association with Epstein, which has given rise to concerns that the Epstein Files have turned into a witchhunt, like occurred during the “#MeToo” era, starting in 2017, and the baseless Satanic Panic of the 1980s and 1990s.

Recently, the Department of Justice, under pressure from Epstein Transparency Act co-sponsors Thomas Massie and Ro Khanna, unredacted the names of private people who are not implicated in any crime.
Adnan Khashoggi (2nd left) at an evening event with Alfonso Prince of Hohenlohe Langenburg in Marbella, Spain, 1985. (Photo by Wolfgang Kuhn/United Archives via Getty Images)

And the CIA did not deny the existence of classified records, noted Mace. The CIA, in its letter to Epstein,” said it could “neither confirm nor deny the existence or nonexistence of responsive records,” noted Mace. “This amounts to a refusal by the CIA to acknowledge whether records existed to link the CIA to Epstein, going as far to say even acknowledging if they exist or is not ‘classified.’”

Epstein’s ties to CIA-linked people go back decades. “One of Epstein’s first clients was Adnan Khashoggi,” notes Mace, “the Saudi arms dealer who was the central middleman in the CIA’s illegal Iran-Contra operation. Epstein oversaw the repurposing of CIA front/contractor ‘Southern Air Transport’ for Leslie Wexner. Epstein worked for Douglas Leese, an arms dealer who introduced Epstein to Khashoggi. Epstein appears to have been an intermediary to Norinco, the Chinese state-owned defense company. and Epstein held ties with the cofounder and owner of US military contractor DynCorp.”
US Middle East peace envoy William Burns (L) shakes hands with Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, as Foreign Minister Shimon Peres looks on, before their meeting in Jerusalem 09 June 2001. As international diplomatic efforts to restore calm in the Middle East grow, Israel and the Palestinians prepared their answers to US proposals on a way out of their crisis after tense security talks with CIA chief George Tenet the previous day. AFP PHOTO/Menahem KAHANA (Photo by Menahem KAHANA / AFP)

Drop Site News reported in December, “investigators in both the Franklin County Sheriff’s Office and Ohio’s Office of Inspector General were looking into Southern Air Transport amid rising public scrutiny of the Iran-Contra affair—and sources in both offices identified Jeffrey Epstein as having a pivotal role in relocating the planes.”

Mace notes that one of Epstein’s attorneys, Kathryn Ruemmler, “who was also White House counsel under President Barack Obama, received the highest honor from the CIA from then-Director John Brennan, and told Epstein about it.”
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Wrote Mace, “All of this suggests that not only does the CIA have information on Epstein, it should have a large amount of information, over several decades, and covering many issues…. We respectfully request the CIA search all records, classified and unclassified, to identify any records” and “to the maximum extent allowable by law, should be disclosed to the public.”

Here is @RepNancyMace letter to @CIADirector Ratcliffe.

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Michael Shellenberger

@shellenberger

Feb 13

The @NYTimes today notes that in one Epstein email there is "peculiar combination" of "pizza" and "grape soda."

In truth, on at least five occasions, Epstein’s urologist, Harry Fisch, uses the words “pizza” and “grape soda” in strange ways.

In making this observation, I am not endorsing any theory about what the words mean.

However, I think the author @DraperRobert should have noted that there are at least five and more likely at least six mentions of pizza and grape soda, and that in one case, the words appear to be about sex, since they come after discussion of erectile dysfunction pills.

Here the cases:

1. “After you use them, wash your hands and let’s go get pizza and grape soda.”

Their text messaging exchange begins with Epstein emailing Fisch to request Stendra, a fast-acting, second generation erectile dysfunction drug that was designed for "greater spontaneity."

The "them" Fisch is referring to are clearly the pills.

Then, in separate messages, Fisch writes:

2. “What time do you want to get pizza and grape soda tomorrow?”

3. “Pizza and grape soda… Nough said”

4. “Pizza and grape soda tomorrow for lunch?”

5. “First we get a slide of pizza with grape soda… Then the pop tart” to which Epstein replies, “Wow.”

6. And someone whose name is redacted, but is almost certainly Fisch, as he is sending an attached document from “Veru-Equity” which is Fisch’s company, appears to make clear that he is using a coded phrase when he writes, in an email to Epstein,” Let’s go for pizza and grape soda again. No one else can understand.”

I encourage people to read the messages themselves. In no case did I get the feeling that they were actually talking about pizza and grape soda.

Of course, it is easy to see things that aren't there, and so there is some non-zero possibility they are really into pizza and grape soda.

But if it's all a terrible misunderstanding then, given that the story is now in the New York Times, Fisch should be glad to clear up what they were talking about.

I emailed Fisch at several of his email addresses on Wednesday and did not heard back. The Times says it did too.

I believe it is reasonable that authorities should ask to interview Fisch to understand what it was that they were discussing.

I encourage people to read the emails in their full context and share your thoughts. They are easy to search for and find here:

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Here's Fisch's Veru company:

verupharma.com/contact-us/

Below is the full message exchange that includes the reference to Stendra.

Here's a reference to the "spontaneity" claim:

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And here's the NYTimes story:

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https://x.com/shellenberger/status/2021962729012310437?s=20

Here is the evidence that Epstein used code words and that "shrimp" is one of them.

There has still not been a proper investigation of the Epstein Files. That needs to happen. The American people are right to not let this go.

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Michael Shellenberger

@shellenberger

Feb 12

https://twitter.com/shellenberger/status/2021713339932430593

Not all references to food in the Epstein Files are code words, but some definitely are, including references to "shrimp," as I explain here. We need an independent investigation and real reform as our Intelligence Community is operating outside of civilian control.

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The recently released Jeffrey Epstein files neither reveal a conspiracy to traffic underage girls to powerful men, nor a relationship to the Intelligence Community (IC), nor a client list, according to some in the media and online. None of the hundreds of CDs, videos, and photographs showed men with young women, notes the Associated Press. And the FBI “found scant evidence the well-connected financier led a sex trafficking ring serving powerful men,” notes AP.

But the Epstein Files do, in fact, provide even more evidence than we already had that Epstein trafficked underage girls to powerful men and that he had ties with both the IC and the Justice Department. The Files reveal that Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick misled the public about his relationship with Epstein, which continued years after he had claimed, and included at least one business deal. And they reveal that a powerful UK diplomat, Peter Mandelson, the former ambassador to the United States, illegally shared confidential state financial secrets with Epstein, and appeared in his underwear in at least one photo. The new evidence forced Mandelson to resign, leave the House of Lords, and nearly brought down the Keir Starmer government.

To be sure, there is false and misleading information in the Epstein Files. There may not be any CIA files on Epstein. There appears to be no client list. At least one of the alleged Epstein victims lied. And there is no evidence for some sensational claims. Moreover, there are FBI reports of testimony from clearly unreliable people, attesting, for example, to witnessing mass murder and cannibalism. Some online are view nearly every food reference as a code word for pedophilia or worse, imagining evidence and seeing connections that simply aren’t there.

While there was an investigation, the files make clear that the FBI had a list of co-conspirators with Epstein, who are in the Epstein Files, engaging in behaviors to recruit women to engage in what is effectively prostitution, whom the FBI never investigated.

An FBI employee on July 7, 2019, emailed a colleague to ask, “When you get a chance can you give me an update on the status of the 10 CO conspirators?” The email named “Brunel” and “Maxwell,” references to Jean-Luc Brunel, a French recruiter of fashion models who was under investigation for raping minors, and convicted sex trafficker Ghislaine Maxwell.

Another FBI document lists all 10 co-conspirators, and they include the foudner of Victoria's Secret, and Epstein’s assistant, Lesley Groff.

We know that Epstein had installed hidden cameras, a surveillance room, and produced hundreds of videos spying on people on CDs and tape.

The CIA so valued Epstein’s attorney, Kathy Ruemmler, the White House counsel for President Barack Obama, that its Director gave her the agency’s highest award. The Director of the CIA under Biden, William Burns, met with, or was scheduled to meet with, Epstein at least three times when he was a State Department official. And, in the 1990s, Wexner and Epstein helped relocate a CIA front organization, Southern Air Transport, from Miami to Columbus, Ohio, where Wexner lived.

Epstein considered using a former “CIA plane to transport prisoners to Guantanamo Bay…called a Torture Plane,” according to Epstein’s pilot, Larry Visoski, in an email.

Ruemmler at one point emails Epstein to say, “Yes, I am really here,” to which Epstein responds, “it looks like a cia drop,” tradecraft jargon for an intelligence exchange.

Epstein, through his lawyer, tried to get information out of the CIA about himself, and the CIA responded, saying it looked and found nothing. But by denying an “open or otherwise acknowledged” affiliation, the CIA legally protected itself from having to confirm or deny covert, unacknowledged, or informal relationships, such as being a confidential informant, a foreign intelligence asset, or a non-official contractor.

These new revelations come at a time when even mainstream news media are reporting on more evidence that Epstein may not have killed himself in August 2019. Noted CBS, “investigators reviewing surveillance footage from the night of Jeffrey Epstein’s death observed an orange-colored shape moving up a staircase” toward his cell. An FBI memorandum describes the fuzzy image as “possibly an inmate.” And CBS reported that “Prison employees interviewed by CBS News said escorting an inmate at that hour would have been highly unusual.”

So what does it all mean? Who was Epstein and what was he doing?

To answer those questions, we need to take a closer look at the code words.

When Nicole Junkermann, an Epstein lover, says “Wow!” after he indicates he might be willing to have a baby with her, Epstein replies, “Is that a code word” to which she replied “No i am surprised.” In one exchange, a woman, whose name is redacted, but is almost certainly Nadia Marcinko (a.k.a., Naďa Marcinková), Epstein’s Slovak-born pilot, asks him to fly with her. He says, “Is that a code word?” And she replies, “I really meant fly… would your answer differ if it were a code word?”

While most of the Epstein Files emails that use the word “shrimp” appear to refer to the seafood, some appear not to. Someone whose name is redacted emails Epstein to say, “Call Talia, she will give you massage. And she looks better then ‘shrimp’ anyway. And good with Massages.” The person is using shrimp in the context of “massage” which in many emails appears to refer to massage with sex...

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Michael Shellenberger

@shellenberger

Jan 31

Calling anti-ICE riots an "insurrection" or "insurgency... poses dangers," says @nytimes. It "legitimizes the use of violence," says a CSIS expert.

Funny, then, how The Times labeled January 6 an "insurrection" and the same CSIS expert called J6 a "terrorist incident."

The Times uses the word "insurgency" rather than "insurrection" for its headline, even though not a single one of the people the article criticizes uses that word. Three use the word "insurrection" and one uses the word "revolution."

Perhaps that's because the Times knows that it led the charge to label January 6 as an "insurrection," and that it is now engaging in flagrant hypocrisy.

nytimes.com/2026/01/31/us/…

Even more disturbing is that the article quotes Seth G. Jones @SethGJones saying, “When you start using the language of warfare and treating someone that has an opposing view as a terrorist or as an insurgent, that legitimizes the use of violence against them."

Well, that's precisely what Jones and his coauthors did in a 2022 @CSIS report, "Pushed to Extremes: Domestic Terrorism amid Polarization and Protest," which labeled January 6 as "the most prominent instance" of a domestic "terrorist incident."

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Michael Shellenberger

@shellenberger

Jan 29

https://twitter.com/shellenberger/status/2015446692611403840

It was already clear that Alex Pretti was interfering in a law enforcement operation. Now, new @BBC video shows Pretti kicking out the taillight of an ICE SUV and wrestling with ICE agents. His gun is sticking out of his waistband. He screams & spits. He is deranged & dangerous.

https://twitter.com/shellenberger/status/2015446692611403840

In this clip, you can clearly see Pretti refusing to go to ground — just as he refused to do so when he was shot.

Congrats to @thenewsmovement and @BBCNews for their big scoop.

The news media irresponsibly downplayed or didn't properly report on how Pretti was deliberately interfering in a law enforcement operation on the day he was killed.

At a minimum he recklessly waved through traffic on the street and physically confronted ICE, as the image below clearly shows.
I shouldn't have to say this but some people need to hear it: I'm not defending the shooting. It was obviously a mistake. There should be a full investigation and people should be held accountable.

But it is also the case that Democrats, influencers, and the media are getting leftists killed by encouraging them to interfere with law enforcement operations and telling them that they are fighting Nazis.

Pretti showed exceedingly bad judgement in openly wearing a gun as he attacked an ICE vehicle. He showed similarly bad judgement interfering in the ICE operation on Saturday.

Pretti in the new video appears to be in the grip of that very familiar form of derangement.

Here is a link to the full @thenewsmovement video.

I saw some people have been trying to put Community Notes on this video. If you watch it, you will see that it is definitely Pretti, there is no evidence of AI manipulation, and the provenance of the video is known.

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Michael Shellenberger

@shellenberger

Jan 25

Most of the debate since yesterday has focused, understandably, on whether the ICE agent acted in what he perceived to be self-defense. Whatever the case, it’s clear that, by encouraging people to interfere in law enforcement operations, the Left is getting people killed.

A Federal Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agent in Minnesota shot a second person dead yesterday. Most of the debate since then has focused, understandably, on whether the ICE agent acted in what he perceived to be self-defense.

Whatever the case, it’s clear that, by encouraging people to interfere in law enforcement operations, the Left is getting people killed. Videos show both victims, Renee Good and Alex Pretti, impeding law enforcement operations, which progressive nonprofits, Democrats, and liberal influencers have been encouraging for months.

Good drove her vehicle perpendicular to block traffic while her partner taunted ICE officers. Pretti intervened at least twice, first by waving traffic through on the street and again as an ICE officer sought to subdue another person interfering in the operation, triggering the agent to use pepper spray against him.

In saying this, I am not defending the decisions and behaviors of the ICE officers or anyone else. The killings are a tragedy. And there is a worthwhile debate underway over ICE tactics, separate from the specific behaviors of Good and Pretti.

We don’t know what was in the minds of Good and Pretti specifically, but Democrats, progressives, and anti-ICE activists have for years called ICE and the Trump administration fascist and compared them to the Nazis. On January 19, Minnesota Governor Tim Walz called ICE “Donald Trump’s modern-day Gestapo.” Last year, in California, Governor Gavin Newsom signed legislation to block ICE from hiding its identities. The Los Angeles mayor called them a “reign of terror.” And a few days ago, the Lieutenant Governor of Minnesota urged citizens to “put your body on the line” to block ICE protests.

Walz and other Democrats have blocked state and local law enforcement from working with ICE, which has contributed to increasingly risky behavior by anti-ICE activists like Good and Pretti, and thus growing danger to everyone involved. There were no Minneapolis police visible in the videos of the Good and Pretti deaths.

And many of America’s largest progressive cities and states are all openly defiant of federal law, declaring themselves “sanctuaries” that protect illegal migrants from the federal government.

California, New York, Colorado, Illinois, Massachusetts, New Jersey, and others are “sanctuary states”. At the same time, New York City, Los Angeles, San Francisco, San Jose, Oakland, San Diego, Sacramento, Seattle, Portland, Chicago, Denver, Minneapolis, St. Paul, Madison, Milwaukee, Boston, Cambridge, Somerville, Philadelphia, Washington, Baltimore, Newark, Jersey City, Austin, Dallas, Houston, Atlanta, Chapel Hill, Durham, Asheville, Tucson, Phoenix, Las Vegas, and Reno, are “sanctuary cities.”

The underlying problem is that for decades, schools, Hollywood, and the media have made clear that we should risk and even sacrifice our own lives to stop fascism and Nazism. And yet neither ICE raids nor Trump are fascist, and it is offensive to compare them to the Nazis.

The Nazis rounded up Jewish citizens and shipped them to death camps. ICE, by contrast, is detaining foreigners who the government believes committed criminal offenses beyond coming to the US illegally. No nation in the world has allowed more people to enter illegally. Nor has any treated them with greater due process than the US is doing.

The American people elected Trump president, like it or not, and the Constitution’s Supremacy Clause in Article VI establishes that federal law prevails over conflicting state or local laws. It ensures the Constitution, federal statutes, and treaties are the “supreme Law of the Land,” binding state courts and governments. The ICE raids may be bad politics, but there is no question that they are constitutional.

While some Democrats and progressives know their language is hyperbolic, half of the individuals surveyed told pollsters last year that Trump is a fascist. Such radical beliefs appear to have partly motivated two assassination attempts against Trump and the assassination of Charlie Kirk.

While the radical Left has for decades called its political opponents fascists, these views were until recently marginal views, even within the Democratic Party. Moreover, Bill Clinton, Barack Obama, Bernie Sanders, and Hillary Clinton all spoke out against illegal migration until 2016. So what changed? Why did so many Americans come to view a democratically elected president and law enforcement operations as equivalent to fascism? What radicalized the Left?

Part of the answer is bad information. Many progressives believe ICE is simply sweeping up hard-working and law-abiding immigrants, and do not know that 64 percent of immigrants detained since Trump took office in January 2025 had criminal convictions or pending charges, in addition to having broken the law by entering and working in the country without a visa.

For some, labeling Trump as a fascist was simply a political tactic and not something they believed. But many others believe it, as the polling data shows.

Many people, both liberals and conservatives, believe progressives like Good and Pretti are acting out of empathy and sympathy for migrants. But if they are, it is purely ideologically driven, not from any real-world understanding of migrant communities. Few of the white progressives protesting ICE have ever spoken more than a few words to much less gotten to know illegal immigrants, even those who work for them as cleaners, cooks, and gardeners, much less come to understand their lives...

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