I did hestitate to engage with what I considered to be an obvious bad faith interjection - but then I thought I need to put my money where my mouth is and show that discussion is nothing to be scared of. So let’s go.
First, the obvious false equivalence. The debate was not about an existing criminal practice, such as FGM, that has no evidence at all to support it as something that is for the benefit of the children subjected to it. The debate was about 'conversion therapy'.
This is interesting as yet another example of 'forced teaming' which has served the TQ+ pretty well over the years. The Government seeks to ban attempts to 'convert' gay people but also attempts to 'convert' people away from a certain gender identity.
These two things are not remotely the same. A sexual orientation, as I understand it, is something that is identifiable and fixed for life. Belief in a 'gender identity' however appears to be a relatively new philosophy which is inherently incoherent and not defined.
Many of us are very worried that to criminalise 'conversion therapy' when applied to gender identity, would mean that legitimate efforts by experts to talk to distressed gender non conforming children would become impossible, due to fear of potential criminal liability.
This would be a very grave situation as it would mean that large numbers of children would not get the help they need, before making decisions to take cross sex hormones which are irreversible and carry very serious and life long consequences. Not least a risk to fertility.
So that's a very long answer to explain the false equivalence in the question. But if someone wanted to organise a debate about why FGM was great and should be decriminalised, would I try to stop them? No.
If they invited me to join the debate and put the arguments for why FGM was criminalised and why it should remain so, I would be happy to do so. I am very confident that my arguments would be clear and compelling.
It would be for the people listening, to hear what was said and form their own views. I am both baffled and alarmed by this apparent belief in the 'magic' of words - that all someone has to do is hear the Wicked Opinion and they will be immediately captured by it.
I hope I give (the majority of) our species a little more credit than that. We should not shy away from uncomfortable or difficult topics because we find them uncomfortable or difficult. I would be interested to know why anyone would want to argue FGM was a 'good thing'.
It might help me understand better which children were more likely to be at risk, why criminal prosecutions for FGM are almost non-existent. Debate and discussion are the life blood of democracy. They shd only be denied when they involve incitement to violence or other crime.
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I did! Like the introduction - 'you could be forgiven for thinking that all it campaigns about is trans rights' Formed as lobby group in 1989, devasted by infamous section 28 that banned 'promotion' of homosexuality. Stonewall fought for its appeal and equality for gay people.
now it has begun to campaign on trans rights, gaining both praise and 'strong' criticism for is stance on gender identity. It runs 'work place inclusion schemes' covering 25% of workforce, more than 250 are public bodies. Some have left - the BBC, Ofcom, Channel 4 and the EHRC.
Asked NK why she wanted to do the job - as a lesbian my life absolutely transformed by work of Stonewall. Married and adopted two children, illegal until recently. An amazing opportunity to make things better for LGBTQ+ people.
I am not sure which is more concerning. An official police force social media account blithering on about being your ‘true self’ - or one that blocks members of the public who disagree with them.
Which is my ‘true self’? The one who stays up too late, eating smarties and watching poor quality serial killer documentaries? How useful would the is ‘self’ be at work I wonder? Or is it the self that engages in pointless arguments with anonymous people?
Well, at least at work I know who they are so there is that. People’s ‘true self’ is not required in the workplace. You are there to meet the expectations set out in your contract of employment or set by your regulator. If your ‘true self’ conflicts with those, you are out.
EVERYONE DOES HARD THINGS
What is this? Everyone has pain in their lives. Most people do the best they can with what they have got. There are no medals for any of us I am afraid. No one group should be elevated above any other.
Of course we should not be unkind or dismissive of anyone's struggle if we can help it. But as a disabled person I am growing more and more frustrated with this message of 'awareness' and 'most vulnerable'. Where is #DisabledAwarenessWeek?
A fascinating and poignant look at human misery over their gender identity and the child as on looker - happily Tara grew up loved and appears to have avoided the pain that dogged her father. podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/hea…
The video that inspired this examination is here. Many have found it disturbing and it’s stayed with them for a long time - all worried about the little girl being so exposed to her father’s pain and rage.
At the time of filming in the 80s ‘Laura’ claimed to be ‘between two sexes’ but later reverted to living as Robert. The intersex condition is not specified but appears to be a hormonal condition that delays or stops puberty.
1. Identify the lies 2. Identify the misinformation 3. Identify what ‘rights’ I wish to remove 4. Explain how I wish to ‘enforce’ gender when I deny its existence
The incoherence and frankly the stupidity of many of those who deny the existence and importance of sex is a big part of why we are now in the mess we are. The mystery is why they are given any kind of respect or platform by people who are not stupid.
Unless of course their intellect is overridden by a particular kind of stupidity - that of believing oneself morally superior and failing ever to examine that assumption.
So now it’s a ‘binder outreach service’ @LushLtd ? Does your head office have any idea what your Paddington store is doing? Well, the local children’s safeguarding boards soon will.
So your Paddington store is going to be cemented as an ‘ongoing’ service to children? I would be interested to see your risk and safeguarding assessments, which I am sure exist <cough>
As you claim to be the ‘only’ such service and have been providing binders to persons of age unspecified since at least June, then I assume your safeguarding assessment is a model of its kind that you can share for the benefit of others?