At #USCCB21, bishops will now debate "The Mystery of the Eucharist in the Life of the Church?"
It will work like this. They will be asked to consider some amendments by consent agenda, but could propose them for individual consideration. That could lead to debate. Then after that, they would debate the whole doc.
+Biegler asks for specific debate on an amendment proposed by +Cordileone. That amendment calls for a mention of the unborn in a list of "vulnerable people."
+Conlon asks for debate on a devate on replacing the words "work to remedy" in place of "oversee' in a specific place in the document.
NOTE: We don't have the draft text they're working from. So we are doing our best. But they have a new draft text, adn we don't have it.
+Biegler is speaking to his proposal. It is not to not include the unborn, but to add "victims of human trafficking, etc" to a list of vulnerable persons, and the word "preferential" before a note about loving the vulnerable.
+Rhoades: We thought people would understand that we were not making a comprehensive list.
+Biegler: I'd like to make it more clear, and add the word the word "preferential" in front of the word "love" and to say that we should love people wherever they live.
+Biegler: I'd like to make it more clear, and add the word the word "preferential" in front of the word "love" and to say that we should love people wherever they live.
+Rhoades:
I would note that we have a paragraph about the poor, and here, well, "the poor are vulnerable obviously," but fwiw, the doc does mention how the Eucharist commits us to the poor.
I would note that we have a paragraph about the poor, and here, well, "the poor are vulnerable obviously," but fwiw, the doc does mention how the Eucharist commits us to the poor.
+Sample:
Ok, so what are we gonna vote on? The entire amendment as accepted with the committee, but with +Biegler's suggestion to add the word "etc?"
Is that right?
+Gomez: yes. Then we will vote on +Biegler's other suggestion.
Ok, so what are we gonna vote on? The entire amendment as accepted with the committee, but with +Biegler's suggestion to add the word "etc?"
Is that right?
+Gomez: yes. Then we will vote on +Biegler's other suggestion.
+Olson:
Could we put all these modifications in writing. Because I'm not really sure what's being proposed to be modified.
"Etc" does not convey universality. So could we have this in writing before we vote on it?
Could we put all these modifications in writing. Because I'm not really sure what's being proposed to be modified.
"Etc" does not convey universality. So could we have this in writing before we vote on it?
So the bishops are voice-voting now if they want the amendment to be adopted in its ORIGINAL language.
They gave it an aye.
They gave it an aye.
But then +Gomez asked them to vote by voice about modifying it (I THINK, this is lost very much in the weeds) and that didn't get anywhere.
But I'm honestly not sure where they landed. And I am following this very, very closely.
But I'm honestly not sure where they landed. And I am following this very, very closely.
Now onto +Conlon:
I think we have a superfluous footnote. Also, as an emeritus bishop I'm not sure I'm allowed to officially ask for separate consideration of an amendment -- You guys are proposing to replace the word "oversee" with "work to remedy" - I think "address" is better.
I think we have a superfluous footnote. Also, as an emeritus bishop I'm not sure I'm allowed to officially ask for separate consideration of an amendment -- You guys are proposing to replace the word "oversee" with "work to remedy" - I think "address" is better.
+Rhoades: Thanks. We think "work to remedy" is better. I think this references the situation of a person in objective sin.
+Gomez asks +Malloy, parliamentarian, if it's true that Conlon can't actually ask for separate consideration. Malloy says that's true. So no consideration.
+Gomez asks +Malloy, parliamentarian, if it's true that Conlon can't actually ask for separate consideration. Malloy says that's true. So no consideration.
Now the bishops are asked to reject by consent motion a raft of amendments the doctrine committee recommends be rejected. But bps can ask for any to be considered by separate discussion.
Soto asks for two, Seitz asks for one.
Soto asks for two, Seitz asks for one.
Soto asks for distinct debate on two amendments he propose, both of which would note that Christ "obediently" offered himself. "Obedience is part of the Trinitarian harmony."
+Rhoades said that while he agrees in principle that Our Lord was obedient to the Father, the committee thought that introducing the obedience of Christ to the Father's will would require considerable explanation that would lengthen the document.
So the bishops are going to vote on whether they want to note that Christ "obediently" offered himself, and that sin is disobedience.
But the bishops rejected the amendments by voice votes.
But the bishops rejected the amendments by voice votes.
+Kelly, I said Seitz before and I was wrong.
Wants to insert an Augustinian notion of reciprocal self-giving at the Eucharistic table.
+Rhoades: We didn't think it fit in that section of the document, so the committee proposes to reject that.
Wants to insert an Augustinian notion of reciprocal self-giving at the Eucharistic table.
+Rhoades: We didn't think it fit in that section of the document, so the committee proposes to reject that.
Bishops vote to reject that amendment.
+Strickland rises.
+Gomez: "Bishop Strickland, do you want to say something about something *specific.*"
+Gomez: "Bishop Strickland, do you want to say something about something *specific.*"
+Strickland: I think we need to add the word scandal to a section on Eucharistic reception, as per an amendment he'd offered.
+Rhoades:
We addressed this, and even the CCC passages you mention, in other parts of the document and refernece those sections of the CCC in a footnote
+Rhoades:
We addressed this, and even the CCC passages you mention, in other parts of the document and refernece those sections of the CCC in a footnote
+Rhoades:
Since we addressed this issue of scandal in another section of the document, we didn't thnk it would work in this section.
Bishops vote to reject the proposed amendment.
Since we addressed this issue of scandal in another section of the document, we didn't thnk it would work in this section.
Bishops vote to reject the proposed amendment.
Bishops are now done debating amendments, adn will debate document.
I'm not sure this will be a big debate, because they talked about this a lot, reportedly, in executive session.
I'm not sure this will be a big debate, because they talked about this a lot, reportedly, in executive session.
+Baker:
This is an important document. And the lives of the saints give witness to the importance of the Eucharist. In catechesis, we should focus on the lives of the saints as models.
This is an important document. And the lives of the saints give witness to the importance of the Eucharist. In catechesis, we should focus on the lives of the saints as models.
+Baker:
In 2021, we will have lost more than 100,000 ppl to drug overdose. A friend of mine has found the Eucharist as a way of catechizing addicts. "The Eucharist can be our avenue back for many who have traveled another way. Without which they would be dead."
In 2021, we will have lost more than 100,000 ppl to drug overdose. A friend of mine has found the Eucharist as a way of catechizing addicts. "The Eucharist can be our avenue back for many who have traveled another way. Without which they would be dead."
+Naumann:
The God who allowed himself to be conceived in the womb of Mary found himself to be present in all time, in the simple physical expression of bread and wine -- which, every time we receive, it's an encounter with the living God.
#USCCB21
The God who allowed himself to be conceived in the womb of Mary found himself to be present in all time, in the simple physical expression of bread and wine -- which, every time we receive, it's an encounter with the living God.
#USCCB21
+Naumann:
Wrt people in public life, we should acknowledge the areas of common ground to support the dignity of human life, but not to be afraid to speak to the point of disagreement. If Catholic pols supported the right to life, we would have bipartisan supermajorities.
Wrt people in public life, we should acknowledge the areas of common ground to support the dignity of human life, but not to be afraid to speak to the point of disagreement. If Catholic pols supported the right to life, we would have bipartisan supermajorities.
+DeGroot:
I've been praying on this document, and grateful it's evolved to this point. I'm looking forward to the Eucharistic revival.
I've been praying on this document, and grateful it's evolved to this point. I'm looking forward to the Eucharistic revival.
+DeGroot:
I was struck in prayer by a moment in the rite for the installation of a pastor, which calls a pastor to be a wise teacher, loving father, gentle shepherd.
We need to be united to have conversations in a way that calls ppl to conversion.
I was struck in prayer by a moment in the rite for the installation of a pastor, which calls a pastor to be a wise teacher, loving father, gentle shepherd.
We need to be united to have conversations in a way that calls ppl to conversion.
+DeGroot:
A wise teacher, loving father, gentle shepherd, in the model of the Good Shepherd.
A wise teacher, loving father, gentle shepherd, in the model of the Good Shepherd.
Bishops will now vote. That was the whole debate.
The document passes. 222-8-3
Bishops applaud together. This is a moment, after the year of tension and debate over this document
Bishops applaud together. This is a moment, after the year of tension and debate over this document
So, +Cozzens is giving an update on the National Eucharistic Revival now:
He is saying how great it is that the bishops have been having adoration together adn in an adoration chapel here at this meeting.
He is saying how great it is that the bishops have been having adoration together adn in an adoration chapel here at this meeting.
+Cozzens:
We hve 8 working groups, experts, a team, etc. We will roll out this revival this spring.
We hve 8 working groups, experts, a team, etc. We will roll out this revival this spring.
+Cozzens:
Deliverables Fall 2021:
-We're creating a job description for diocesan point persons and teams for the Eucharistic revival.
-Webinars
-vademecum
-best practices
-we'll launch a website.
-formed.org is giving us space online for all of this stuff, a 1m gift.
Deliverables Fall 2021:
-We're creating a job description for diocesan point persons and teams for the Eucharistic revival.
-Webinars
-vademecum
-best practices
-we'll launch a website.
-formed.org is giving us space online for all of this stuff, a 1m gift.
+Cozzens:
-We are commissioning a CARA study on belief in the Eucharist, through the McGrath Institute.
-We are studying the best advertising approach, through a grant from the KofC.
-We have asked all contemplative communities to pray for this revival.
-We are commissioning a CARA study on belief in the Eucharist, through the McGrath Institute.
-We are studying the best advertising approach, through a grant from the KofC.
-We have asked all contemplative communities to pray for this revival.
+Cozzens:
-We are creating a team of more than 50 "Eucharistic preachers," who can speak and preach about the transformational power of the Eucharist.
-a tool kit for diocesan Corpus Christi processesion.
We hope every diocese will have a Corpus Christi procession June 19.
-We are creating a team of more than 50 "Eucharistic preachers," who can speak and preach about the transformational power of the Eucharist.
-a tool kit for diocesan Corpus Christi processesion.
We hope every diocese will have a Corpus Christi procession June 19.
+Cozzens:
-June 19, 2022 will be the launch of the revival.
- Carlo Acutis will be the first year's patron.
-June 19, 2022 will be the launch of the revival.
- Carlo Acutis will be the first year's patron.
+Cozzens:
-We'll begin the launch of the parish phase June 19, 2023.
-We want to bring the healing presence of Our Lord to the margins-- to prisons, to the border, to place where the Lord can be transformative.
-We'll begin the launch of the parish phase June 19, 2023.
-We want to bring the healing presence of Our Lord to the margins-- to prisons, to the border, to place where the Lord can be transformative.
+Cozzens:
We're planning on a National Eucharistic Congress in 2024 - a WYD-style event, that aims to bring together 80k ppl.
We're creating a 501c3 for a National Eucharistic Congress.
This event will cost roughly $300/person, plus lodging and travel. We want to fundraise it.
We're planning on a National Eucharistic Congress in 2024 - a WYD-style event, that aims to bring together 80k ppl.
We're creating a 501c3 for a National Eucharistic Congress.
This event will cost roughly $300/person, plus lodging and travel. We want to fundraise it.
+Cozzens is playing a video of +Cozzens
National Eucharistic Congress will be in Indianapolis. (yay)
Now in video, Indianapolis tourism guy is telling us that "Indy" is awesome.
Now tourism promo video of Indy. They have good food, race cars, parks, etc.
Now in video, +Thompson, of "Indy," is telling us that Indianapolis' cathedral great. It does look pretty.
July 17-21 2024, Indy. Eucharistic Congress.
+Cozzens:
Denver and Atlanta were also in the running.
But Indy had available dates, hotels, leisure activities, etc. It is reportedly quite convenient.
Events will seemingly be in LucasOil stadium and convention center.
Stadium was (in some year) voted best stadium of year
Denver and Atlanta were also in the running.
But Indy had available dates, hotels, leisure activities, etc. It is reportedly quite convenient.
Events will seemingly be in LucasOil stadium and convention center.
Stadium was (in some year) voted best stadium of year
+Cozzens:
Marian university have offered low-cost housing, and so will parishes and schools for groups who went to come.
Indianapolis is within a day's drive for 50% of the U.S. population. (I had no idea)
Marian university have offered low-cost housing, and so will parishes and schools for groups who went to come.
Indianapolis is within a day's drive for 50% of the U.S. population. (I had no idea)
Here's the budget:
They've already gifts in kind and promises of gifts for $3m. OSV offered a $1m gift.
They've already gifts in kind and promises of gifts for $3m. OSV offered a $1m gift.
+Cozzens:
Events like Eucharistic Congresses and WYDs are transformative events for so many ppl. Many practicing Catholics tell us this. It's time for an event like this again.
Events like Eucharistic Congresses and WYDs are transformative events for so many ppl. Many practicing Catholics tell us this. It's time for an event like this again.
+Cozzens:
Wouldn't it be wonderful if we raised so much money we could do a bunch of these over the years. We'll see what the Lord wants to do. But I am excited.
Wouldn't it be wonderful if we raised so much money we could do a bunch of these over the years. We'll see what the Lord wants to do. But I am excited.
+Thompson:
I initially thought +Cozzens picked Indianapolis because he wanted to make sure someone up here was shorter than him.
I initially thought +Cozzens picked Indianapolis because he wanted to make sure someone up here was shorter than him.
+Thompson:
"If you give the green flag to this project, we'll be ready for the checkered flag."
This is an Indy 500 joke.
"If you give the green flag to this project, we'll be ready for the checkered flag."
This is an Indy 500 joke.
Now open to questions.
+Strickland:
Thanks guys. I am so pleased that we are having adoration at this meeting. Thanks brothers for going.
As we enter into this move toward a Eucharistic Congress, "I believe we've got to take this document and...rejoice in the Real Presence."
Thanks guys. I am so pleased that we are having adoration at this meeting. Thanks brothers for going.
As we enter into this move toward a Eucharistic Congress, "I believe we've got to take this document and...rejoice in the Real Presence."
+Strickland:
I would hope that during these three years, we can evangelize all the politicians, to have an army of Catholic politicians who uphold every aspect of Catholic teaching.
I would hope that during these three years, we can evangelize all the politicians, to have an army of Catholic politicians who uphold every aspect of Catholic teaching.
+Strickland:
"I thank you for hearing me in the spirit of synodality. I speak from the heart. I know I probably speak too much....I speak of many things, but the most important thing I should speak of is the real presence of Our Lord and the moral evil of abortion."
"I thank you for hearing me in the spirit of synodality. I speak from the heart. I know I probably speak too much....I speak of many things, but the most important thing I should speak of is the real presence of Our Lord and the moral evil of abortion."
+Strickland:
"The murder of unborn children destroys women, men, marriage and families. It destroys the foundations of our civilization. I must speak."
Strickland is reading the speech about abortion.
"The murder of unborn children destroys women, men, marriage and families. It destroys the foundations of our civilization. I must speak."
Strickland is reading the speech about abortion.
+Strickland:
"Abortion opens the door to evil...life is a gift out of God's loving heart. Let us live in loving God. I pray the Eucharistic Congress can lead us closer to following the Lord.
"Abortion opens the door to evil...life is a gift out of God's loving heart. Let us live in loving God. I pray the Eucharistic Congress can lead us closer to following the Lord.
+Duca:
The marketing of this...this is like every convention, "Come to Indy...Indy, Indy." I think we need to consider seriously the way we market this -- not even market it -- but invite ppl to serious pilgrimage.
The marketing of this...this is like every convention, "Come to Indy...Indy, Indy." I think we need to consider seriously the way we market this -- not even market it -- but invite ppl to serious pilgrimage.
+Duca:
"We're not going to Indy for what Indy provides, but what the Eucharist provides."
+Cozzens:
i agree.
"We're not going to Indy for what Indy provides, but what the Eucharist provides."
+Cozzens:
i agree.
+Broglio:
I think this is great. But $28m might appear to be scandalous, when you tihnk about what the Church needs. That's my AMS budget for four years. and many small dioceses, it might be more. How do we market this $28m price tag?
I think this is great. But $28m might appear to be scandalous, when you tihnk about what the Church needs. That's my AMS budget for four years. and many small dioceses, it might be more. How do we market this $28m price tag?
+Cozzens:
yes. But think of it as $300/person. I think the spiritual fruits are worth the investment.
yes. But think of it as $300/person. I think the spiritual fruits are worth the investment.
+Tobin:
Thank you, <joking... four years ago I would have opposed the host city, but you have a good archbishop in Indianapolis now.>
Thank you, <joking... four years ago I would have opposed the host city, but you have a good archbishop in Indianapolis now.>
+Tobin:
I think we have to think very carefully about how we teach during all of this. This can't simply be an invitation to have benediction. We celebrated the Eucharist together
(Cozzens- Amen)
I think we have to think very carefully about how we teach during all of this. This can't simply be an invitation to have benediction. We celebrated the Eucharist together
(Cozzens- Amen)
+Tobin:
There is a danger of impoverishment - of the Eucharistic sacrifice - the wonder of Christ's real presence, if we are not thoughtful about how we emphasize and teach.
Tobin's point is largely about emphasizing the Mass as the locus and context of the Eucharist.
There is a danger of impoverishment - of the Eucharistic sacrifice - the wonder of Christ's real presence, if we are not thoughtful about how we emphasize and teach.
Tobin's point is largely about emphasizing the Mass as the locus and context of the Eucharist.
+Lori:
Thank you for doing this project in a spirit of evangelization. To have a living encounter with the person of Jesus Christ.
Thank you for doing this project in a spirit of evangelization. To have a living encounter with the person of Jesus Christ.
+Etienne:
Thanks for being enthusiastic. As a Hoosier- good choice on Indy.
I want to follow up on what Cardinal Tobin just said. We are facing the challenge of getting our ppl back to celebrate the Eucharist in person. We should leverage this inviting ppl to their parish.
Thanks for being enthusiastic. As a Hoosier- good choice on Indy.
I want to follow up on what Cardinal Tobin just said. We are facing the challenge of getting our ppl back to celebrate the Eucharist in person. We should leverage this inviting ppl to their parish.
+Etienne:
There is a lot of mention in your material to devotions -- which is great -- but I want to be sure we emphasize the worshipping body, the body of Christ in the celebration of the Mass.
+Cozzens:
We have heard this point, and it is central to our approach.
There is a lot of mention in your material to devotions -- which is great -- but I want to be sure we emphasize the worshipping body, the body of Christ in the celebration of the Mass.
+Cozzens:
We have heard this point, and it is central to our approach.
+Someone (Didn't hear who)
We want to make sure there are not political party conventions scheduled that week so it doesn't seem like we are reacting to them.
+Cozzens:
I'm not sure how much influence we have there...
We want to make sure there are not political party conventions scheduled that week so it doesn't seem like we are reacting to them.
+Cozzens:
I'm not sure how much influence we have there...
+Coakley:
I am very strongly in favor of this. I am very hopeful about this. I think this might be just what we need.
I am very strongly in favor of this. I am very hopeful about this. I think this might be just what we need.
+Dolan, aux of San Diego:
In 1964, the U.S. had its first Mass in the vernacular, at a liturgical conference.
I would suggest calling it a "eucharistic liturgical congress" to emphasize that the liturgy is the experience.
+Cozzen:
The term "eucharistic congress" is common.
In 1964, the U.S. had its first Mass in the vernacular, at a liturgical conference.
I would suggest calling it a "eucharistic liturgical congress" to emphasize that the liturgy is the experience.
+Cozzen:
The term "eucharistic congress" is common.
+Kalabat, Chaldean eparch of Detroit-area:
I am so glad we've come together as brothers to adore Jesus Christ. I would suggest we bishops commit to praying together at the same time in adoration once a month.
+Cozzens:
good idea. we'll think about it.
I am so glad we've come together as brothers to adore Jesus Christ. I would suggest we bishops commit to praying together at the same time in adoration once a month.
+Cozzens:
good idea. we'll think about it.
+Soto: Ben XVI mentions that the Eucharist is fragmented unless it leads to concrete works of charity. That can't be an afterthought, but should be reflected in the budget.
+Cozzens:
Great idea! Will you help me with that? I'd love ot have your help.
+Cozzens:
Great idea! Will you help me with that? I'd love ot have your help.
Bishops will now vote:
The Congress passes.
Lunchtime. Peace.
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