I’ve been thinking about this a lot. And I think I’ve figured out what bothered me so much about @JonathanLeeman interaction with @kkdumez & @bethallisonbarr. It’s that it felt familiar. It seemed polite and engaging. And I appreciate that he actually talked TO them. But. +
A few times he essentially told them- here’s what you think, believe, intend, etc. Sometimes in direct contradiction to what they said. And it reminded me of a day I met a pastor (a stranger), who would ask me questions then interrupt to tell me what I tonight/believed/wanted. +
That pastor ended up doing great spiritual, relational and emotional harm to me. And honestly. It just felt icky to read a complete stranger telling brilliant women their own hearts and minds, while also wanting the benefit of the doubt that THEY misunderstood him. +
So I guess the point is, it’s good to talk TO people. With them.
But maybe there’s not so much difference between that kind of talk and just talking at/about them. And it’s harmful women to act (even unintentionally) as though they cannot know their own beliefs or convictions. +
I’m not mad about. Just. Ugh.
But I’ve been having a lot of convos with brothers asking why they didn’t see things before (MD, PP etc) and tbh, I think sometimes it’s not really listening bc some of us have been saying it a long time.
So. I’m hoping someone will listen and hear.
*THOUGHT not tonight. Sakes alive.
Per usual, SO. MANY. TYPOS. //end
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I talked with a friend last night was a couple years ahead of me in school. When we met through a mutual friend I was still on high school, he was at OBU. He and their group of friends were so kind and inclusive to me. Treated me like an equal. And cared for me. +
Later, when we were both at OBU, he was one of the smartest people on campus. Legit brilliant, studied philosophy & bib languages, now has multiple graduate degrees. But. If you didn’t just know he was the smartest person in most rooms, he sure wasn’t going to tell you. +
Mostly he was going to listen to you. To say what he thinks and believes for sure, but to talk with you not at you. Ask questions. Gently affirm and help to flesh out what you were saying with his scholarship, but never in a condescending way. I remember thinking in college- +
We are not set up for online. We are barely set up for a Facebook page and email communication. We are still having services in our small, rural community where there is currently no known outbreak. But we are taking steps. By next week (maybe tomorrow) we’ll be streaming.
We are cleaning like crazy. We are encouraging people who are sick or at risk (like me and my kiddo) to stay home. We are taking measures and trying to figure this out. But I want to tell you what we are doing really well. Bc it is the character of this church.
My dad texted me this today. Then we talked about it and some other things for a bit. But this isn’t about what some guys do/say about @BethMooreLPM, it’s about my dad- my first pastor and teacher.
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When I was a little girl my dad told me I was smart and special and could be anything I wanted. I decided to drive the train at the zoo. Or be the Queen of England. Or the Pope.
Dad gently explained that my birth & life circumstances prevented the last two, unfortunately. /2
Even as a little kid I loved theology. I wanted to talk about the hows & whys, not just the whats of the Bible stories. I loved to read & question and my dad fed my hunger for knowing with books and conversation and experience. /3