I’m going to do a “live-read” of the SCOTUS transcript in today’s Cummings case. @adams_hurta and I wrote an amicus in this matter, and I’m interested. supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/20/2…
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The question presented is, basically, can you recover emotional distress damages in some kinds of civil rights cases – for complicated reasons, some of these cases are analyzed by whether the remedy sought would have been available in contract law. /2
Justice Thomas comes out of the gate with that question - if we don’t think you could get emotional distress damages under traditional contract common law, do you have some other argument? /3
There’s an interesting exchange here about how close the analogy to an old contract case has to be before it works for these purposes. /4
J Sotomayor jumps in here to help focus counsel on Justice Kavanaugh’s question, which is, “the other statutes that allow emotional distress damages have caps, but this wouldn’t, isn’t that bad?” /5
Justice Alito presses on how much money the plaintiff wants for emotional distress /6
Justice Sotomayor again wants to help a justice she perceives as on the other side get their answer. /7
That’s us! /8
Colleen Roh Sinzdak for the US is pressed by Roberts on his pet question: what if there’s 1 or 3 or 5 cases allowing emotional distress damages, is that good enough?
Random note to say I like the notion of boiling many oceans. I usually say boiling the ocean, but of course there is more than one, so Colleen is quite right.
Here, we come back to an important question, which is what are the implicit limits keeping damages low in many emotional distress cases?
This is a good exchange between Justice Kagan and @KannonShanmugam about how a defendant would know they are potentially liable. But also note the elegant way Kannon handles “saying the thing I need to say before answering.” —> “let me get the necessary caveat out of the way”
I appreciate how Barrett often says what she’s actually thinking. She’s is very often asking real questions. (There are these innkeeper cases where emotional distress damages are awarded)
Interesting exchange here where Justice Kavanaugh suggests he at least somewhat agrees with Justice Barrett in the previous tweet
Another very interesting question from Justice Barrett - “look, people have been giving emotional distress damages for many years, why hasn’t this come up before”
The response is, among other things, to dispute that distress damages have been handed out for decades.
Justice Kavanaugh is very focused on this analogy to other discrimination statutes - if you can get emotional distress damages in Title VII, why not in the implied cause of action in these spending clause cases?
Interesting question from Justice Kagan - why don’t we just sort of tell courts these damages should be small?
Well, that’s it. Very interesting argument. Pretty much what I would have expected in terms of questions and tone.
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There are way better people to follow this morning for Dobbs analysis (I.e., everyone). Just a little note for the non-lawyers about process, though.
In many arguments, the lawyers are trying to persuade the Supreme Court about the law in some way. Argument, right? 1/
But that’s not really what is going on this morning. There’s no argument even Elizabeth Prelogar can make that’s going to blow someone’s mind. They all know the arguments. So what’s the point? /2
Well, it’s the first time the Justices engage with each other on this case. So they’re really talking to each other through the lawyers. That’s true of every argument to some extent, but *really* true of this one. /3
I genuinely do not understand why someone would want to be the managing partner of a large law firm. I met one at a panel recently; was very nice to me and friendly and whatnot, but he doesn't touch law anymore. Boo.
OK. A thread on the case that has me hot this morning. Of course, qualified immunity. What happened? In broad strokes, Plaintiff's family alleges that he was surrounded by the police and beaten to death. There is a video. 1/
The district judge, unsurprisingly, denied qualified immunity at the motion to dismiss stage.
Remember, that you get an immediate interlocutory appeal from a denial of qualified immunity. So the officers appealed. On what basis? Well, there's the thing. 2/
They don't and can't really say there was no violation of law alleged, or that it wasn't clearly established. Instead - and I am not joking - their argument is that the Complaint's allegations are not specific enough about what each officer did, so the case should /3
I've told this story, but I ordered two carbs (Waffles and pancakes, maybe?) at a breakfast for opposing counsel. "Why two carbs Raffi? Who eats two different carbs?"
It took like a few weeks for the boss to get over it. "Ok, fix that clause and let's get it out. But damnit two carbs? "
Yes, where I started organizing meetings was a fraught part of being a first year associate. Or maybe it was fraught just for me. But it caused me a *lot* of stress.