Thread by @truthunveilled

You have actually scored an own-goal, and only a person who has Jahl of the Ashari/Maturidi Madhab would think that this is not our view.

Let me break it down for you and show you, your own logic behind trying to prove a point that you have misunderstood.

https://twitter.com/ahlulittiba_/status/1467625115320000515

1- We are all in agreement that the 'Arsh is creation [if it is not then you have committed blasphemy]

2- We are all in agreement that Allah's names indicate towards his attributes and that they are pre eternal.

3- Was Allah not الأعلى before he created the creation?

[If no then you have affirmed change for Allah]

Now in regards to the narration itself, it is an obligatory view that Allah is The Most High, regardless of the creation being existent or not. This means, even before Allah created the 'Arsh, he was above it all.

And you know what this leads to? It leads to the meaning of Allah being above in status and not direction nor place, because if that is so, then you have instantly affirmed two types of of علو for Allah. What is the difference between Allah being above everything before creation

and being above everything after creation? There is no difference, Allah was, is and will be always above everything, regardless of it being non-existent or existent as He has affirmed for Himself in the Qur'an:

سبح اسم رب كالأعلى

Glorify the name of your Lord, The Most High.

To add on, if you believe the 'Arsh existed before creation, then who created the 'Arsh? If you say Allah always existed with the 'Arsh then you have broken a principle of Usūl ad-Dīn and are also drifting against another Hadith.

كان الله، ولم يكن شيء غيره

Allah existed, and

nothing existed besides Him.

@themuslimcreed