It's possibly worth clearing this up to avoid confusion.
If someone lies, we call them a liar.
It doesn't make any difference how tall they are, for instance, or what colour hair they’ve got, or whether they like mustard or not. A liar is someone who lies.
If the someone-who-lies has other identities - French, male, vegetarian - it doesn’t mean they’re lying *because* they have those identities. Those other identities are irrelevant: all that’s relevant is that they’re liars.
They’re not ‘French liars’ or ‘male liars’ or ‘vegetarian liars’. They’re just liars.
So when Nick Robinson (Jewish by birth) lies about what Chris Williamson said, for instance, that doesn’t make Robinson a ‘Jewish liar’: that makes him a liar, who is also, irrelevantly to this issue, Jewish.
He is not lying *because* he’s Jewish: he’s lying because he’s a liar (who is also, irrelevantly to this issue, Jewish).
Jewish people can lie, just like anyone else can. But they’re not lying *because* they’re Jewish, anymore than when I lie it’s *because* I’m of Catholic heritage.
A liar is a liar. They may have any number of other ‘nested identities’, but all of those are irrelevant to the issue of lying. If I call out Nick Robinson for lying, I am calling him out *because he is a liar*, not because he is a Jew.
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I've tried to explain this to you before, but you never seem to get it.
It doesn't make any difference whether I'm a good person or a bad person. It does not affect the truth-value of any statement I've made, because truth is *non-contingent* on the speaker of it.
Go look it up.
So if a bad person says 'Today is Saturday', and it is Saturday today, that remains true, no matter how bad the person saying it is. The truth of it being Saturday today is *non-contingent* on the virtue of the person who says it.
Politics isn't a continuum from left to right. It's slightly more complicated than that. It really breaks into two sections, the socialist left and everything else. Everything else is a version of itself, more or less extreme, from RW Lab through to RW Con. That's a continuum. 1
The socialist left, though, isn't a version of this, it's a direct challenge to it. Rejecting the neoliberal economic dogmas of the centre and right, its economics are wholly different. The two attempt to co-exist within the Labour Party, but the discontinuity is obvious. 2
This is one of the fracture lines thrown up by the smearing war: not just one version of something versus another version of the same thing, but two competing visions of the world, of the economy, of how things actually work. 3
These old chestnuts keep coming up, so I thought I'd post them as a thread. The scam is visibly falling apart now as more and more people become aware of it. #ItWasAScam
They install this psychopathic monster, then they demand police action when he does what psychopathic monsters do. Like the police are going to do anything. You knew exactly what you were doing when you smeared Corbyn, @Kevin_Maguire.
You did this. #ItWasAScam
Anything to say, Kevin? Would you, for instance, care to apologise to the nation for helping to install this dangerous regime?
Or are you going to pretend you're just an innocent observer of all this?
Interested to hear your thoughts.
See, it was perfectly obvious what was going to happen when you smeared Corbyn. Only one thing could happen - this, the Johnson horror circus. Are you going to continue to pretend to be outraged, angry? Angry at what you yourself did? You expect anyone to buy that? Why?