Villa goal was disallowed cos Jacob Ramsey was offside when the cross came in, and then challenged an opponent (Edinson Cavani).
Play restarted with an indirect free-kick for the offside offence.
If disallowed for impeding with contact, restart would have been a DFK. #MUNAVL
Not sure why it took the VAR, Darren England, so long to get to the decision.
It seems he wanted to find a factual offside offence, when the subjective offside offence was quicker and more straightforward.
Michael Oliver was excellent in explaining this to Tyrone Mings.
This is the section of the offside law that applies.
Edinson Cavani was tracking the runner who then created the goal. You do not have to think Cavani WILL win the ball, only that it impacts on his ability to challenge for it.
So:
✅Jacob Ramsey is standing in an offside position
✅He interferes with the movement of Edinson Cavani (steps to the right into his path, too)
✅Impacts on the ability of the Cavani to challenge for the ball with the player who created the goal
Here's the video, the key incident starts at 2mins 55secs. Ramsey clearly blocks Cavani's run to challenge.
The VAR first looked at the factual offside as Michael Oliver could actually have rejected the subjective offside. So it was actually logical.
And just to answer a lot of repeat comments. Subjective offside overturns are always made at the monitor.
Here's one involving Aston Villa from last season.
Steven Gerrard after the game:
“I don’t think anyone knew [what was happening] in the stadium in all honesty. But for me, now I have learned the reasons why, I don’t think it was that complex to take three-and-a-half minutes to straighten it out.”
So, Law 12 for the foul and Law 11 for offside interfering are separate with different interpretations.
One requires a foul, the other only interference.
Oliver saw the players come together, but not the offside. A clear and obvious error by the officials collectively.
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Why don't leagues have a chip in the ball for semi-automated VAR offside?
🖥️ Tech by Kinexon
⚽️ Centre-mounted chip in ball developed & patented by Adidas
❌ No league uses Adidas
Adidas would need to share/licence, or other ball companies find an alternative to house chip.
Who are the ball manufacturers for the different leagues?
Premier League (Nike this season, Puma from 2025-26)
LaLiga (Puma)
Bundesliga (Derbystar)
Serie A (Puma)
Ligue 1 (Kipsta)
Kinexon has worked with Adidas, Derbystar and Puma so far.
It's not easy to overcome, as Kinexon went through 1000s of prototypes until it achieved a ball that was actually FIFA-approved, in weight and the counterweight and the balance, and that provided good results.
So it's not as simple as saying "put a chip in the ball".
🔷 How many places in Champions League for Serie A
🔷 What happens to place in UCL for the UEL titleholders
🔷 What happens to seeding for the 2024-25 UCL, 👀 Barcelona
Pull up a chair a moment.
1. How many places will Serie A get in the Champions League?
We know Italy will have 5 teams in the UCL next season as they have one of the 2 extra places for league performance.
Atalanta are 5th. If they finish 5th, and 5th only, Italy will have 6 teams in the UCL.
AS Roma are guaranteed to finish in 6th, so they are left waiting on Atalanta's final position.
If Atalanta finish 5th, AS Roma will be in the UCL.
If Atalanta finish 3rd or 4th, AS Roma will be in the UEL.
Atalanta sit two points outside the top 4 with a game in hand.
Sick of keepers holding the ball for 30-40 seconds to waste time or slow down play?
The [unenforced] law says a keeper can only hold the ball for 6 seconds. Any longer and it's an indirect FK to the opposition.
We now have details of The IFAB trial to change it.
Thread. 👇
As well as wasting time, a goalkeeper holding the ball for too long is considered an unfair tactic because the opposing team has no possibility to regain possession.
That's because a goalkeeper cannot be challenged when in control of the ball with the hand(s).
A keeper holding the ball for more than 6 seconds should be punishable by an indirect free kick.
However, we have got to the stage where this is rarely enforced by referees, which in recent years has been exploited tactically.
Mauro Icardi's offside in Galatasaray vs. Manchester United gives us a good illustration of how semi-automated technology will be more accurate and reliable - yet may lead to more goals being disallowed.
This was ruled out on the field, but stay with me.
There's a common misconception that handball starts at the bottom of the sleeve.
This isn't the case.
It's the arm point level with the armpit - if you had it by your side - around the whole arm.
Basically, the area of the arm which can't increase body size if you move it.
The starting point for offside (and handball) is therefore an imaginary line on the arm.
With the old tech, the point on the attacker and defender is plotted manually by the VAR and operator.
This obviously has to cause inconsistencies, and it's why there's a tolerance level.
This is what happened with the Luis Diaz "goal" which Liverpool had disallowed vs. Tottenham.
There will be a deeper dive in the Monday VAR thread, but in simple terms the VAR took the wrong onfield decision - it led to the goal being disallowed.
So the VAR, Darren England, checked offside thinking the onfield decision was "goal."
It was a quick offside check because it was clear Diaz was onside, so he told the referee "check complete".
In telling the ref "check complete" he is saying the onfield decision was correct.
So the "human error" by the VAR team is getting the onfield decision wrong. Not by failing to draw lines etc.
The lines were drawn and Diaz was clearly onside.
The huge, quite unbelievable error was misunderstanding the onfield decision.
So the dust has settled on the first VAR audio show of the year with Howard Webb.
Time for a little old-school VAR thread to go through it.
I'll include the video clips.
We got 2 of the 3 big errors in the Premier League this season - the penalty not given against Andre Onana vs. Wolves + the offside goal Man City scored against Fulham.
It didn't include Alexis Mac Allister's red card, which has been the main point of complaint in my comments.
It would have been better to include that Mac Allister red, especially as it was overturned on appeal.
But then if you include Mac Allister, you drop something else (Zaroury?). And you absolutely have to include the examples of good process to show where VAR works.