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@team_greenhalgh has just entered the Lords, so we should be starting on the #BuildingSafetyBill any minute.
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@teamgreenhalgh takes a moment to reflect on Grenfell, and to state that this tragedy must not happen again. That’s why the government appointed @DameJudithH to review building safety regulations.

@team_greenhalgh states that we will create meaningful change. The #buildingnsafetybill will deliver improvements across the entire building stock.

Will include hospitals and create golden thread links throughout the building life cycle

Every building in scope will require a responsible person. Who will need to register with a regulator. And fines for failure to adequately complete the role can be subject to unlimited fines.

Will improve standards of building quality control and target activity where it is needed.

@team_greenhalgh moves on to products, linking back to the Grenfell inquiry. The bill will improve standards of construction product oversight.

@team_greenhalgh states the Polluter must pay!

@teamgreenhalgh ‘We must go further to protect leaseholders who are the victims of the crisis’

@team_greenhalgh mentions the £27m additional funding for waking watch support. This only works if waking watch is. It immediately replaced with equally expensive ‘evacuation managers’

‘Some developers are failing to engage…. Me must get the Polluters to pay!’ Interesting following non attendance of 3/4 of the key developers at committee meeting yesterday.

Senior executives at key developers agree that leaseholders should not pay.
@team_greenhalgh states @arconic non attendance is unacceptable.

@team_greenhalgh commends the bill to the house.

Baroness Hayman @LabourLordsUK says that the bill will fall short of meeting the expectations of the Grenfell inquiry output. States the definition of high risk buildings should be amended to include vulnerable individuals, who are excluded by building height.

Baroness Hayman asks whether @team_greenhalgh agrees leaseholders should not be made to pay, and whether this should be applied retrospectively and for both cladding and non cladding costs.

We strongly agree that developers must be called to account and support that @team_greenhalgh says that laws will be brought forward to make them pay should they not do so voluntarily.

The Baroness also asks for confirmation that housing funding will not be used to pay for remediation, e.g. affordable housing funding should not be redirected.

Adds that the emphasis should be placed on building owners to bring latent defects claims and not upon the leaseholders.

Asks for confirmation that building safety information will not only be made available to current residents and prospective residents.

States that the @UKLabour has been clear that leaseholders must not pay and that @team_greenhalgh has openly agreed with this point. We very much agree with developers paying for cladding but questions how non cladding claims will be handled.

Talks about the amount of funding available and that this is simply not enough. States that this cannot be managed on a first come first served basis.

We must be sure that every building is safe, and not make assumptions.
The baroness moves on to Waking watch and how historic resident payments will be returned.

Moves on to a central building works agency to work closely with local agencies and fire services and have the legal power to pursue polluters.

Asks that @team_greenhalgh work together with other parties to reach agreeable solutions and closes with paying respects to @GrenfellUnited @GRENFELLNEXTOF1

Lord Stunnell @LibDemLords speaks to his experience of trying to introduce similar legislation in the past. States that statements from @michaelgove bring little comfort to leaseholders, who are facing enormous bills.

States they will be pressing the government more vigorously on the detail of the bill. (This will be reference to the Fire Safety Bill going through without protections for leaseholders)

The Lord talks about the narrow scope of the bill. Not affecting all buildings many of which will remain under the existing regulatory regime. And mentions that there are estimated 600,000 unsuitable fire doors in use today.

Asks @team_greenhalgh whether it’s ok to fail regulations as long as it’s not in a high rise building?
Unless the building safety regulator takes on all buildings, Leaseholders will be no further forward than they are now.

The lord states that current regulation is manifestly not suitable for purpose, and states that this is a once in a lifetime opportunity for reform.

The lord closes with his expectation to see more detail and to be implemented quickly and smoothly. We must ensure that Grenfell cannot happen again and that we protect leaseholders against the costs and greed of those responsible.

Lord Best talks to the state of construction across the country currently, and lists off the top of his head all of the different issues and scandals, highlighting the exorbitant bonuses paid to house builder executives.

Lord Best states that it is excellent to see the government trying to address these issues.
Refers to historic attempts to introduce a new homes ombudsman, and letters from residents making the ‘worst mistake of their lives’

Talks to 75% of houses experiencing major snagging defects, some of which are never fully addressed.
Draws comparison to the complexity of design and build of a car, and if we can get this right, we should be able to get building a solid static home right.

Lord best asks whether the home ombudsman will have the power to expel house builders from the scheme, therefore barring them from new homes.

Will the ombudsman be able to require sales be made via standardised contracts (simplifying a lot of the issues currently seen with marketing styles)

Will the ombudsman be able to ban non disclosure agreements that stop residents talking about their experiences.

Baroness Sanderson talks to the outcomes of Grenfell and how it’s always ‘someone else’s fault’ e.g. architect vs designer vs contractor and the loop of blame of who was responsible.

Nor was it the fault of @arconic or @KingspanIns_UK who’s products did not perform as expected. Or the BRE who formed too close relationships with product producers.

Baroness Sanderson reads aloud emails between employees of product manufacturers, and their casual disregard for human lives. Including the potential impacts on vulnerable residents.
15 vulnerable residents died at Grenfell.

The baroness raises the recent media coverage of tall buildings designed with only one stairwell and escape route. Asks how we can ensure that residents voice is included to ensure that Grenfell can never happen again,

Closes with the key reason for the #BuildingSafetyBill being that no one has to go through what the residents of Grenfell went through and talks to individual experiences of those trapped in the fire and seeing them at the windows, a man on the phone to his sister until she died.

He also listened to his mums last words ‘I can’t breathe, I can’t breathe’ and stayed on the line for a further hour in the hope that he would hear his mum and sister rescued, but that was not to be.

Baroness Warwick speaking now, who also pays respect to those at Grenfell.
Welcomes the statement from @michaelgove that he will protect leaseholders and make developers pay.

@nhf survey shows 12,900 homes have already had to be cut to pay for safety remediation,

States that where remediation can bring homes within risk appetite without expensive remediation (eg the use of sprinkles is often cheaper and more effective) then this should happen.

Asks that @team_greenhalgh commits to publishing the recent survey completed by @luhc.
Wholeheartedly agrees with lord beats call for the new housing ombudsman to report directly to parliament. Only then will we be reassured of independence and robustness.

Baroness Brinton joins remotely, echo’s many of the statements.
Calls for focus on internal compartmentation, doors, barriers and stairwells and recalls the impacts on the fire at New Providence Wharf.

Recalls coroners outcome from larkanal fire that sprinklers would have saved lives and asks for commitment for installation of sprinklers.

https://twitter.com/bldgsafetyreg/status/1488916055858814982

Talks to @DameJudithH Notes that Poor procurement and payment practice, produce poor outcomes. Asks @team_greenhalgh to commit to addressing these aspects of the design and build process.

Mentions @libdemdaisy’s request for a public register of Fire Risk Assessors and was assured that this was happening, so removed an amendment on this basis, however this does not seem to have been progressed. The Baroness asks @team_greenhalgh to confirm that this be introduced.

Lord Aberdare speaking now, focusing specifically on cash retentions. @DameJudithH noted that cash retentions can drive poor quality outcomes in build as this can force choices based on price rather than quality.

Seemingly endless advisory groups, models, roadmaps etc. But without underlying regulation it remains unclear how this can/will be addressed. Asks that @team_greenhalgh clarify whether they will bring an outright ban on retentions or encourage a collaborative approach.

Lord Young speaking now, calling into question the potential for Voluntary contributions and how this won’t be welcomed by shareholders of developers who aren’t responsible for the issues.

He also clarified that this won’t guarantee that leaseholders will be protected from all costs. Lord young also quoted from @michaelgove that he would ‘introduce statutory protection for leaseholders, for all the work required to make buildings safe’ not just cladding.

Lord Young, links this directly to the bills being received by leaseholders right now and to date and asks what does the statutory protection cover. Retrospective? Bills after introduction of legislation? Just cladding or all work.

Asks what amendments have been drafted to address this (#PolluterPaysAmendment or something else) and asks very good questions about how amendments might work in practice and especially how they will work if no more funding is forthcoming from the Treasury.

Lord Shipley speaking now, also speaks to Grenfell and @DameJudithH report and recommendations. Recognises that it’s taken 4 years to get to this point and says that this will be 4 years well spent if it is done right.

Lord Shipley lists off questions he would ask as someone purchasing a high rise property, such as is there more than one staircase, are their sprinklers, if not why not, are the results of fire safety assessment available to read, and many more. All very good questions.

The success of this bill will all depend on the people carrying it out and the golden thread of information available to them.
This is a complex and technical bill with a lot of new roles which all appear to be necessary.

Will be vital that every role knows exactly what they are responsible for and that this is reviewed regularly.

Crucial that building are assessed at every stage of a buildings creation and lifetime.
Closes by Commending all those responsible in getting the bill to this point.

Would like further thought on how competence will be assessed and reported.

Lord Crisp up now, commends the bill and the announcements that have been made to date on funding.
Comments on the culture of a race to the bottom, quality has been devolved to the contractor so people are marking their own homework,

And systemic issues of all shifting blame to others in the chain.
Speaks to his empathy for those who have died and those who are still caught up in this situation.

Speaks to the need for culture change. (This is a key goal of the #PolluterPaysAmendment) and that there is also a need to focus on quality and safety beyond fire as a wider concept.

Talks about the links with other bills coming to the house, and the impacts of the pandemic, and homes being the fundamental foundation for peoples lives.

Speaks to the impacts on people’s mental health and the additional cost on the NHS as well as the impact to the individuals. Also links to the levelling up plan, but hesitates to ask how this will work with the levelling up plan at the moment.

States that the #BuildingSafetyBill as a huge opportunity to change culture in the industry for the future.

The Lord Bishop of Winchester speaking now. The Lord Bishop speaks to the quality of Victorian Terraced homes and the strict quality control of these buildings, and calls focus to the need for all those involved in building homes to do a quality job.

The Lord Bishop draws from the wisdom of god in his prayers, and talks to the need to help thy neighbour.

The Lord Bishop closes with thanks to those who have supported him prior to his upcoming retirement at the end of this week.

The Lord Bishop of Manchester speaks now, discloses his interest in social housing, suggests that every household must have a home that is safe, wholesome good quality. Christ requires us to love our neighbour.

Speaks directly to the #BuildingSafetyCrisis and his support for @McrCladiators and the costs they have faced, states that his own housing association has covered costs of remediation but does this does come at a cost and reduces their ability to build new affordable housing.

Again asks @team_greenhalgh to confirm that affordable homes funding will not be raided to pay for developers mistakes.

Requests that @team_greenhalgh address the issue of accidental landlords, and leaseholder landlords potentially not getting the same access to funding and the fairness of that approach.

Closes with, we are seeking the right legislation or we risk bringing ‘blood guilt on this house’

Baroness Eaton speaking now, speaks to the importance of finding a speedy and suitable resolution to the crisis. Also mentions @DameJudithH report and her recommendations for reform.

Talks to specific clauses that change the role of regulators.
Mentions the expectation that architects and other key workers are competent and suitable to complete the role. Expects that all will complete continuing professional development throughout their career.

Asks how we will raise the bar of other professionals including building inspectors (who sign off the buildings)

Baroness Young speaking now, states the important of this bill passing but only in an improved format.

Talks to the introduction of ‘guidance’ over mandatory requirements. And the need to make standards mandatory to truly drive forward quality improvements. As developers ‘move as a pack’

Asks that aspects relating stair safety be included in the bill, fo@reduce the number of slips trips and falls that lead to serious injury or death.

Baroness Bakewell speaking now, ponders whether the fire service has the capacity to manage the requirements of the bill as there is a greater shift from reaction to fire (fighting) and prevention. Will local authorities have enough resources to manage?

Speaks to the gateways that must be completed for a building to be signed off, (we know historically that some of these checks either haven’t happened or the system has been gamed)

The baroness draws attention to the shortage of skilled and competent people to complete the vital roles. (E,g. Lack of fire engineers to complete EWS1 has massively affected the flat sale market)

Asks for assurances around product safety going forward and asks that @team_greenhalgh confirms that this will be addressed. Talks about the capacity of testing sites to be able to handle product testing going forward and the price to complete tests.

Speaks to fire door inspection, 37% were places of rest. 77% of doors were condemned. Top reasons being excessive gaps, not fitted correctly, no closers, non compatible expanding foam. Few were maintained as would be expected.

Leading cladding aside, fire doors are necessary to protect against the spread of fire especially where there is one central staircase.

Lord Etherton speaking now, welcomes the call for the government to get all costs from those responsible and none of those costs to be put upon leaseholders. Expects that this will take years, in the meantime there is a liability that needs to be addressed by someone, who?

In the case of leases of more than 7 years there will almost always be an obligation to repair which is recoverable by the tenant. This is likely to continue for a considerable period of time. Directs comment to the position of the landlord in this situation who are often private

Individuals who have invested their pension funds in a residential property to bring retirement income, the issue of how these costs are to be addressed in the interim period are found in part 5 of the bill and provides for amendments to be made to the landlord and tenant act

Concerned with the ongoing situation of expectation of payment from leaseholders. Speaks to sub sections that cover potential for claims against developers. In the interim period, the landlord faces expectation to see whether there is a claim, but will drive enormous dispute.

It is wrong to expect that leaseholders should take on the cost of these disputes, which are among the most complex, drawn out and expensive type of legal challenge. (The #PolluterPaysAmendment provides a non legal pathway for remediation)

There is an expectation that the government can and will amend the bill, to decide whether it is appropriate for the landlord to make that claim and whether it is reasonable for the leaseholders to bear those costs. What is a reasonable amount?

Lord Naseby speaking now, looks back on previous bills he has worked on since 1974 and can think of no bill more important than the #BuildingSafetyBill

The BSB focus is on saving lives rather than the building, this leads to the design of disposable buildings, which too often leads to disproportionate loss in the event of fire.

Lord Naseby states we are in slight danger of differentiating between types of leaseholder, fundamentally all leaseholders should be treated equally. Not to do so is unfair and unnecessary.

The Lord also speaks to the Golden Thread, how welcome and vital this is. Draws comparison to documentation of planes and their build and maintenance history and how necessary that is.

Closes on the importance of testing houses, and that if the cladding had been tested appropriately and not used, then lives may have been saved at Grenfell,

Lord Foster speaking now, supportive of the Bill, with 3 issues to raise to help reach the objective of the bill.
1) consider the impact of poor quality homes upon the people living in them.

2) The contribution of poor electrical safety to the number of fires in residential properties. Asks @team_greenhalgh why different rules are applied for standards between the high street and online marketplace.

3) Address the perverse situation where if all people escape a building fire safely but the building is a complete loss, this is considered a win. This should be changed by adding a proportionate building safety aspect to the bill.

Baroness Bennett, speaks now and mentions the use of #PolluterPays by campaigners.
There is much to do in improving this bill, ensuring it includes all buildings it should, and fire doors, what could be more basic than that?

Focus has been on cladding but there are many other key issues and asks that the bill doesn’t focus on cladding to the detriment of other issues that need to be addressed.

The baroness questions the likelihood of those who have profited from the crisis voluntarily handing over funds, (voluntary contributions) and demands the expectation of protection in law (polluter pays or similar)

The bill needs to address the systems disaster of the building sector. Fully expect that even today, untrained individuals will be putting the finishing touches on homes for families to move in to soon.

Calls for a global perspective and see what is happening in other areas of the world. Drew comparisons to the collapse of a building in Miami and the deregulation of buildings there.

Refers to Australian building report, 17% of buildings were found not to be fire safe. The similarities across these countries are neo liberal approach and the cutting of red tape. Applying that approach is what forces us to be here today. ‘An orgy of deregulation’

Baroness Featherstone speaking now, suggests if @team_greenhalgh takes on board all of the advice given this evening he will have a wonderful bill. (Laughter from the house)

The Baroness calls specific building examples forward for discussion. In this example residents were told they did not have Grenfell style cladding, but later EWS1 report found that cladding was fine but fixtures and lack of barriers brought a B2 rating (fail)

None of the parties involved will share the information from reports to the residents. Can we make this mandatory; the likely cost in this building is £5m this is likely to fall on leaseholders. As this is not cladding, it’s unlikely they will be covered by funding under the BSB.

An enforcement by Surrey Fire Service for lack of progress on fire safety (this can lead to residents being forced to leave the building) the housing association has stated that they will cover some of the upfront cost but there is no assurance that it won’t be charged back.

Suggests to @team_greenhalgh that understanding and debating is not enough, the government must bring forward an amendment that addresses costs away from leaseholders (#PolluterPaysAmendment or similar)

In closing, speaks to the deep fear of those living in these buildings, the cost both financially and mentally are huge and totally unacceptable.

Baroness Grey-Thompson speaking now and speaks specifically to the needs of those with disabilities or accessibility concerns. Since 2005 individuals have been entitled to a PEEP, but most are told to ‘stay put’ independent advice.

speaks to recent response to C.S.Todd and associates being awarded another contract when several previous advice documents have needed to be withdrawn. It feels like disabled people are being told not to get in others way and they don’t have a chance to evacuate. @claddag

The situations the baroness describes of how disabled people are treated and how their worth is discounted in emergency situations is harrowing.

Asks if @team_greenhalgh can understand why disabled people @claddag are angry? Will he offer his reassurance that he will do everything possible to protect them in this bill as there is currently little in the document to protect them.

Baroness @jollyjudith speaking now, also raising the numbers of deaths related to staircase falls, and how these happen so regularly that they fly under the governments radar. Tabling an amendment to the bill to ensure staircases are built to the correct standard.

Lord Lytton speaking now, the bill needs improvement in content and detail.
Speaks to the RICS recent crisis and awaiting reports on that.

Lord Lytton clearly agitated with the lack of progress with the emotion in his voice apparent.
Recalls a low rise building completely destroyed by fire, so regardless of height risk remains.

States Resident management companies are nervous about taking on responsibilities where they will become ‘responsible person’ without necessary skills or competence.

Lord Lytton states his main focus ins on cladding issues, and expectations that developers step up voluntarily, we must ensure that we can back that up in law. Innocent leaseholders of all types must be protected from costs. (Polluter pays vs voluntary contribution approach)

Lord Lytton states the taxpayer must not fund this, and existing funds must be as a fall back position: not to cover costs that developers should be paying. These are the principles behind the #PolluterPausAmendment which has been gaining pace

Lord Lytton talks to the benefits of the Polluter Pays Amendment, key is that legal action will not be required and leaseholders will be protected in full, the lord says there cannot be any get out clauses through Voluntary Contributions.

Lord Lytton recognises the efforts of those who have progressed the #PolluterPaysAmendment to date and the amount of work that has taken place. Thank you Lord Lytton.

@Fox_Claire speaking now, sharing her personal experience, where a fire spread across the roof of a block. The residents were all evacuated and won’t return until April 2 years after the fire. Sometimes how officialdom handles the crisis is the worst part of the event.

The covid crisis on top of the fire evacuation and the local council teams effectively grinding to a halt left all of these families effectively homeless for two years.

@Fox_Claire calls for proportionality in how issues are addressed. (#PolluterPaysAmendment would complete a review of every building)

Also captures that all high rise buildings are being treated as high risk, where some may not be, and resources could be reallocated elsewhere where they are actually needed,

Speaks to the need to not live in fear and lose sight of the issues that really matter, through becoming fearful of everything.
Mentions that this is creating a shortfall of expertise. E.g. fire risk assessors.

Calls for a resistance of placing blame and name calling of those in industry.

Baroness Harris speaking now, states that it’s to our shame that it took the death of 72 people to draw our attention to the terrible dereliction of duty in the construction industry.

The Baroness speaks specifically to @KingspanIns_UK and @Celotex knowledge of the issues of their products and their contribution to the number of deaths at Grenfell.

Questions why @michaelgove has only asked for voluntarily contributions for buildings of 11-18m in height? What happens to buildings under 11m. These residents are being ignored and vilified.

The baroness talks about the potential for ‘too many chefs’ in the new regime and lists off at least ten public or private with public responsibility parties who will be involved.

Closes with welcoming the bill, and holding regulators, builders and suppliers to account and ‘we will watch carefully and ensure the government keeps its word, to ensure that Grenfell can never happen again’

Lord Thurlow speaking now, mentions SPVs and the use of these properties as investments. Suggests that the costs should be borne not by leaseholders but the owners or investors who should not expect to be protected.

States, this bill must champion the resident.
Must look at all different building types, e.g. a six storey building falling just below the 18m cutoff may be considered low risk but the risk remains the same. Requests that criteria are reconsidered.

Closes by offering his support for the #PolluterPays principle.

Lord Blencathra speaking now, suggests the #BuildingSafetyBill only does half of what it needs to do. Mentions @team_greenhalgh’s desire to push for leaseholder protections to date and now finding an ally in @michaelgove.

Lord Bkencathra also speaks to #polluterPays and the many statements from @mixhaelgove wants to do and achieve: states that if MG had been in role last year more of these clauses would already be in the bill.

Speaks to the need for more protections to be included in the bill, that leaseholder protections must be front and centre, including protections from gold plating of solutions.

Speaks again to the #PolluterPaysAmendment and the features of this, ensuring that only the guilty parties pay.
Draws attention to crossover to other laws, and the complexity, but states we have never had a situation like this, we must reach back in time to make them pay now.

It’s a tall order but we can do it! We can draft suitably wide regulatory aspects to ensure resident safety. Draws attention to use of ‘regulations may’ in the instrument. Calls for laws to be brought forward now.

It’s clear from Lord Blencathra’s closing comments that he intends to bring forward a version of a #PolluterPaysAmendment it is not clear yet, what that will look like and whether that will be in the same format we currently recognise from @raqresidents @polluterpaysbsb

It would be great to see Lords Blencathra, Lytton and Best working together to support the development of the best version of the #PolluterPaysAmendnent

@KathPinnock speaking now, asks why regulation is seen as an obstacle to business until a crisis occurs.
Calls for respect to the 72 who sadly died and all of those who have been impacted. The bill must also absolutely ensure that leaseholders do not pay for ANY remediation work

Describes this as a once in a lifetime opportunity to regulate an industry, suggests current government has failed to grasp that opportunity and include heightened expectations for fire safety. The government has chosen to focus on a narrow field of building type (high rise)

Speaks to @DameJudithH recommendations and which of those have been achieved or not. What is not clear is the skills and expertise that are required and whether these already exist or will cause delays as new training programmes are needed.

Draws attention new layers of cost being added e.g. accountable person role, costs will be charged to leaseholders. Asks whether @team_greenhalgh expects that this role will be filled by management companies. Estimates that this will increase costs by £2k per lease in 1 building

Asks @team_greenhalgh what rights leaseholders will have to ensure they get value for money from these new roles, will they have access to all reports, and will they be able to challenge excessive costs?

States to the need to improve on the bill and that, light touch regulation can have dreadful consequences in this sphere.

Asks @team_greenhalgh to clarify the expectations of testing houses. And what role the BRE and Board of agrement will hold as they are not mentioned in the bill currently. Also asks that a wider view is taken of safety including many of the aspects mentioned by other lords.

In closing @KathPinnock links back to @michaelgove statement calling out all guilty parties and the need to protect leaseholders. States that this is based on the #polluterpays principle. Congratulates campaigners for bringing this so far.

Mentions that Developers are already seeking legal advice to look at ways to avoid paying for their failures.

Asks @team_greenhalgh to confirm when action will be taken to ensure leaseholders will not pay a penny piece towards remediation for both cladding and internal issues.

@KathPinnock speaks passionately on behalf of leaseholders as she has done many times before. Closes with the words ‘building a safer future’ and the desire to make the BSB a much better one and ensuring leaseholders do not pay a penny. Thank you Lady Pinnock.

@LordRoyKennedy speaking now, welcomes the bill and states it does much of what needs to be done to reassure residents who are living in constant worry,

For too long those in construction have had a poor attitude, I see this bill as a way to drive this culture out.

Talks to the expectation of outcomes from the Grenfell inquiry, and mentions again some of the emails between insulation employees and the culture behind this.

Also draws out the best examples of those who have come together, to further the building safety agenda.

Criticism of the speed of progress of the bill following @DameJudithH report nearly 4 years ago, we need to get on, through this house and to improve this.

Key statement! We do intend to bring several amendment and we will divide the house if we must!

Asks @team_greenhalgh to confirm that the bill is robust enough to allow the enforcement bodies eg HSE and fire services are able to go about their jobs.

Clear that the BSB cannot be separated from the Fire Safety Act and the need for clarity of roles; responsibilities and what can be charged back to leaseholders.

Again draws attention to the issue of height of building being used as a key indicator of risk. And asks @team_greenhalgh to bring forward evidence of data supporting this decision.

Asks that @team_greenhalgh being presented with so many questions cannot possibly answer them all this evening and suggests he responds with a letter addressing all of the questions raised this evening.

Questions how do we ensure that industry pays what it should? how will the government fund? How can leaseholders who have already paid out, get money back.

(This is key, l/holders should be put back in the position they were in before the crisis inc. reversal of bankruptcies

@lordkennedy continues by summarising the items he has interest in raised by other lords earlier in the session including electrical safety and the need to ensure standards are applied consistently.

Mentions the #polluterpaysamendment and the need for robust mechanisms behind this to ensure it works.
Endorses Lord Lytton and Lord Blencathra’s views and looks forward to seeing their amendments.

Closes by asking again that @team_greenhalgh agrees to respond with a letter to all of the questions posed this evening.

@team_greenhalgh responds by talking to the corrosive behaviours in the construction industry.

Responds to points raised about fire services and lessons to be learnt whilst also supporting those firefighters who go forwards into danger to save lives.

@team_greenhalgh agrees that it will be near impossible for him to respond to all of the questions posed this evening in the time available.

States that we need to understand scope, particularly of the. We building safety regulator; and important that we set expectations

Of what will be captured as high risk to avoid labelling everything as high risk.

(This is another reason to bring forward the #PolluterPaysAmendment which includes individual building determinations not based solely on height)

Came back to @Fox_Claire points about proportionality and used the example of @GeorgeRobMartin successfully challenging cowboys completion of an EWS1 to profiteer.

@team_greenhalgh states that he’s been handed a list of those who mentioned the #polluterpaysamendment but there are too many to mention. So would like to address Lord Blencathra.

Mentions both @raqresidents And @suejbright and his new name for PPA of the #BrightDayAmendment

@team_greenhalgh voices his disappointment of developers and managers trying to discourage residents from making a claim and says that this needs to be addressed.

@team_greenhalgh talks about his interactions with @claddag @SarahPRennie and Georgie and his admiration for them.

@team_greenhalgh mentions powers to be given to regulators to expel developers from the regulatory scheme (effectively preventing them from building) and the requirements to rejoin the scheme, and hopes this gives reassurance about the length of coverage.

It’s clear to all who follow cladding accounts that there are highly differing views on how the polluter pays principle should be brought into the #BuildingSafetyBill so it will be interesting to see how ideas will be brought together and hopefully will improve with collaboration

@team_greenhalgh turns to lord Etherton to talk to expectations of Landlords and the potential to cause additional litigation. Clarifies that need to protect leaseholders wherever possible in the passage of the bill.

Mentions all of the lords who have discussed the Safer Staircase campaign, and his own concerns for elderly relatives. Important to recognise minimum expectations needed in new build properties.

@team_greenhalgh mentions the irony of @berkeleyhomes sponsoring a safety scheme following two major fires due to poor quality of build but welcomes their sponsorship anyway,

@team_greenhalgh welcomes the very clear cross party support for both the bill and the principles discussed by @michaelgove in the commons. Closes by commending the bill to house and moves. Accepted.
Moves that the bill move on to a grand committee which is also accepted.

That brings to a close tonight’s session, lots to take away and it will be interesting to see how the next few weeks bring differing ideas to the forefront of discussion
We look forward to seeing the best version of the #PolluterPaysAmendment and the full protection of l/holders