Thoughts and a tour of What is attributed to Darimi; under the title he put on what of his books known as refuting the Jahmyyah.
1. We agree with refuting the demons known as Jahmyyah!
2. But the book claimed to be his today isn’t his book! Reasons?!
A. It is too detailed!
1. We agree with refuting the demons known as Jahmyyah!
2. But the book claimed to be his today isn’t his book! Reasons?!
A. It is too detailed!
B. Salaf spoke in few words, and did not dig as he does!
C. The book supports the polar opposite of Jahmis known as Karramis!
D. Darimi went to war against the Karramis, why in the world would he support their horrible creed!
C. The book supports the polar opposite of Jahmis known as Karramis!
D. Darimi went to war against the Karramis, why in the world would he support their horrible creed!
E. Darimi was a scholar of Hadith, this small book is packed with fabrications and weak ahadith!
F. The book was lost from all records until Fulan came about!
G. This isn’t the first time Fulan came up with a story!
H. Yet only Fulan had this magical manuscript!
F. The book was lost from all records until Fulan came about!
G. This isn’t the first time Fulan came up with a story!
H. Yet only Fulan had this magical manuscript!
Here is the funny part l: most of the people in this chain; are either unknown or liars! Let me walk you through! 
Saran: unknown!
Al Muzaka: even wahabis have no clue who he is, but let’s be nice and help; he is Al Azraq Abu Hussain: also unknown!
Son of Alqarrab: had very bad memory!
Alahnaf: unknown!
Al Muzaka: even wahabis have no clue who he is, but let’s be nice and help; he is Al Azraq Abu Hussain: also unknown!
Son of Alqarrab: had very bad memory!
Alahnaf: unknown!
Abu nasr who lived in Iran and Afghanistan died 535
Abu Qasim was born in 520
So a 12 year Syrian boy; supposedly heard an entire book from a man that never left Iran region!
By email maybe?
If you say Ijazah this would mean the book was circulating!
Abu Qasim was born in 520
So a 12 year Syrian boy; supposedly heard an entire book from a man that never left Iran region!
By email maybe?
If you say Ijazah this would mean the book was circulating!
But it wasn’t!
The rules of the scholars is the book to be accepted with no chain requires circulation.
No circulation no sound chain
The rules of the scholars is the book to be accepted with no chain requires circulation.
No circulation no sound chain
And why would Alqarrabs son narrate it from Sarram; while Qarrabs father is a direct student of Darimi, and the son studied with his father?!
Why would Al qawas narrate such a text by Ijazah and he was one of the readers of Abdusammad!
So before you get excited about this chain know that it is a mess!
Now let me take your attention to the narrations with in the book!
Weak narration!
Weak
Weak
Weak
Weak due to Ibn Jad’aan!
Weak due to Yazid!
Even many Wahhabis and IT said such claims are rejected!
Go find out what Al Fiqi the Egyptian refutation of this whole paragraph!
Go find out what Al Fiqi the Egyptian refutation of this whole paragraph!
7th weak narration
Weak!
9th weak!
Weak due to ‘ejlaan, the claim that Samman narrated the same isn’t accurate since samman narration is weak too!
Very weak ! Due to Ibn Saleh!
12. Weak narration!
13 weak
Weak
Out of the first 40 13 so far !
I’m only focusing on Marfu & Mawquf until I cover the whole book , then we will review the actual masael
I’m only focusing on Marfu & Mawquf until I cover the whole book , then we will review the actual masael
Will pick up from Hadith No 41 shortly .
14. Weak due to Jad’aan
15. Weak due to qattat
16. Weak due to Inqitaa’
17. Weak
18. Weak
19.very very weak
20. A fabrication.
21. Weak possibly a fabrication
You never know with Nu’aym!
You never know with Nu’aym!
22.weak
23. So Ibn Mulaikah can make up Siffat now?!
Because that’s how the argument continues!
Because that’s how the argument continues!
24.weak
You should see the editor saying:
This is Sahih, but I never saw anyone do takhrij of it!
Nor does he offer one! Because it is a fabrication!
You should see the editor saying:
This is Sahih, but I never saw anyone do takhrij of it!
Nor does he offer one! Because it is a fabrication!
25.weak inqetaa’
This is a beautiful one !
It says the prophet put his dua finger on eyes!
Wait! So not his direction finger!!
His Dua Finger !
This is a hadith refuting Karramyyah
It says the prophet put his dua finger on eyes!
Wait! So not his direction finger!!
His Dua Finger !
This is a hadith refuting Karramyyah
26.fabrication
27.weak
28. Weak, but could technically be supported by other chains that exist
29. Weak
30. Weak
31.weak
32.weak, possibly Munkar
33.weak.
This narration had as authentic variation yet seems the author of this fabrication decided he could muster a sound chain for the book!
As all these other chains have additions that change the meaning !
This narration had as authentic variation yet seems the author of this fabrication decided he could muster a sound chain for the book!
As all these other chains have additions that change the meaning !
34.weak
35.weak
36.weak
37. Weak
38.weak
39.weak
39 out of 84
That’s pretty bad for a hadith scholar expert in Rijal !
Sorry I don’t believe that , more to come, after Hadiths we shall review the conclusions the fabricator based on these weak and rejected narrations!
Atleast Ghazali wasn’t a hadith expert !
That’s pretty bad for a hadith scholar expert in Rijal !
Sorry I don’t believe that , more to come, after Hadiths we shall review the conclusions the fabricator based on these weak and rejected narrations!
Atleast Ghazali wasn’t a hadith expert !
40-41-42-43
44-45-46-47 all weak
48-49-50-51 all weak
52-53-54-55 all weak
56. A fabrication Straight out of the Bible !
You know a Shaikh found the source a few months ago and sent it to me
They you go; that’s where they got it from!
No this is not Islam brothers !
You know a Shaikh found the source a few months ago and sent it to me
They you go; that’s where they got it from!
No this is not Islam brothers !
That’s 56 weak, Munkar & mawdu’ (fabrications) out of 110 thus far!
57-58-59-60 All Weak
61.weak and kinda silly and affirming the book is a fabrication!
Abu Ubaydah didn’t narrate from his father Ibn Mas’ud; any small time student of Hadith knows this!
Also this version doesn’t support Karrami claims!
Abu Ubaydah didn’t narrate from his father Ibn Mas’ud; any small time student of Hadith knows this!
Also this version doesn’t support Karrami claims!
62. Weak
63.weak
64-65-66-67 all weak
68-69-70-71
72. Weak; but odd let me show you why
So supposedly Al Mua’afa said something
Supposedly everyone in the chain said we say the same
Then darimi said: Darimi said the same. Then darimi said: Sarram his student said the same, then darimi said: That Sarrams student Ishaaq said the same, then darimi said see all those!
Supposedly everyone in the chain said we say the same
Then darimi said: Darimi said the same. Then darimi said: Sarram his student said the same, then darimi said: That Sarrams student Ishaaq said the same, then darimi said see all those!
73-74-75-76 weak
77-78-79-80 all weak
81-82-83-84 all weak two might be fabrications
85-86-87-88-89-90 all weak 4 definitely fabrications!!
91 the author actually states clearly it is a fabrication; not like other fabrication he said Bishr said and he gave it whatever Taweel he felt he could use to defeat Bishr!
Here the editor is actually authenticating this CLEAR obvious fabrication!
Here the editor is actually authenticating this CLEAR obvious fabrication!
92 it is authentically attributed to Ibn ‘Amr but he & Ibn ‘Umar were well known for Quoting people of the book. Scholars of Hadith always spoke of this issue!
Yes we do not reject narrations we don’t understand; but what is weak is weak.
Yes we do not reject narrations we don’t understand; but what is weak is weak.
93-94 one weak one Munkar
95. Author quotes a fabrication that Bishr mentioned then goes on to defend it as an authentic narration!!
So for 95 seems the author believes God has thighs!
And knees
96 weak
97. Very very weak; might be a fabrication
That’s enough for today ; 150 pages left InshaAllah over half weak and fabricated narrations
98.weak
99. Weak
100. Very weak
101. Very weak possibly Munkar
102. Possibly a fabrication
103. Very weak
104. Very weak; has a version that is authentic but the wording is very different
105. Very weak
106. Very weak
107. Very weak
108. Pathetically weak!
109-111 very very weak
110 : the one from Malik is authentic but different wording altogether!
110 : the one from Malik is authentic but different wording altogether!
112. A fabrication; yet the fabricator of this book defends it, and refuses Bishr Taweel!
Tbh both are horrible in Hadith the fabricator at time is worse than what he quotes from Bishr!
Which makes sense since both are innovators that allowing lying !
Karrami vs Jahmi!
Tbh both are horrible in Hadith the fabricator at time is worse than what he quotes from Bishr!
Which makes sense since both are innovators that allowing lying !
Karrami vs Jahmi!
Which brings us to an important issue:
Bishr for Ahl Sunnah is nothing but an innovator.
The author/fabricator is also nothing but an innovator.
This work thus far is horrible!
Bishr for Ahl Sunnah is nothing but an innovator.
The author/fabricator is also nothing but an innovator.
This work thus far is horrible!
113-114-115-116. Very weak
117-118-119-120 weak
121. Very very weak !
122-123-124-125 weak , 122 is Munkar
Out of about 226 narrations we have 122 between:
Weak-very weak-very very weak-Munkar & mawdu’ (fabrication)
This concludes our chain review
We did not mention minor weakness & simply very weak ahadith if it pertained to Fadaael (extra good acts) as the rule is they’ll be used.
Weak-very weak-very very weak-Munkar & mawdu’ (fabrication)
This concludes our chain review
We did not mention minor weakness & simply very weak ahadith if it pertained to Fadaael (extra good acts) as the rule is they’ll be used.
There were about 23 of those type.
Non of the people mentioned in this book weee well versed in Hadith, not the fabricator nor Bishr.
This ends this three of thoughts on the Fabrication claimed as Darimi’s book.
Next an academic review of the arguments.
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Non of the people mentioned in this book weee well versed in Hadith, not the fabricator nor Bishr.
This ends this three of thoughts on the Fabrication claimed as Darimi’s book.
Next an academic review of the arguments.
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