We managed to geolocate two different launch locations based on 9 GeoConfirmations.
We don't know how long this thread will be and additional information later on will also be placed in this thread, so we number it "xx/"
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At least 50 people, including five children, were killed after a missile strike on a railway station in Kramatorsk, eastern Ukraine, that was being used by civilians trying to flee the fighting, Ukrainian officials said Friday.
For this reason we will not post GeoConfirmed sightings. In some occasions we can even guess from wich appartement the footage was made and we do not want to endanger the person who filmed it.
We added the direction of the smoke on the map and we concluded 2 possible launch sites:
Sadove (Садове) and between Hirne (Гірне) and Ternove (Тернове)
This is based on the direction from 9 GeoConfirmed locations. Smoke is impacted by wind, so we drew boxes.
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For these estimated launch boxes we took in consideration all the GeoConfirmed launches from 07 and 08 April.
Timings = video's with timing in local time (EEST)
The SS-21 Scarab (Russian name: 9M79 "Tochka") is a Russian-made short-range ballistic missile.
The Tochka-U is an improved version of the Tochka using a new missile propellant to increase the range to 120 km and an improved CEP (Circular Error Probable) to less than 95 m.
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Components:
- 9P129: Launcher unit
- 9T218: transporter loader (TL)
- 9T222 (9T238): transport vehicle
- 9V819: automated checkup and testing vehicle
- 9V844: maintenance vehicle
- 9F370: ammunition equipment set
- 9Ya234 missile and 9Ya warhead containers
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A new 3-axle amphibious chassis BAZ-5921 and BAZ-5922 were a future development of the first range of machines 5937/5939 and were made for a new rocket complex. It called 9K79 "Point" and consisted of two main systems - launcher 9P129 and loader 9T218. trucksplanet.com/catalog/model.…
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Point = Tochka-U.
The BAZ-5921 is developed ONLY for the Tochka-U.
Versions with another goal were only prototypes.
Our estimated launch areas are within range for a Tochka-U.
But does Russia is still operating the Tochka-U?
Short answer: Yes.
Long answer 👇
Russia announced it would replace them with Iskander. This also means they definitely have them in storage...
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28 NOVEMBER 2016: "Missile, Rocket and Tube Artillery Corps will fully replace the Tochka-U (NATO reporting name: SS-21 Scarab-B) tactical ballistic missile system with the Iskander-M (SS-26 Stone) complex by 2020."
"In 2020, the newly formed 47th missile and 238th artillery brigades were deployed on the territory of the military garrison of the city of Korenovsk (Krasnodar Territory)."
The 8th combined arms army is fighting in Ukraïne:
"AFU Air Force destroys advanced command post of 8th Combined Arms Army of Southern Military District of Russia at airfield in Chornobayivka – Arestovych"
(General was killed)
"Russian forces concentrated considerable combat power around Mariupol drawn from the 8th Combined Arms Army to the east and from the group of Russian forces in Crimea to the west"
"A column of Russian equipment with “V” marks was moving from Rechitsa towards Gomel, Belarus.
There were at least 8 Tochka-U, several BTR-82a, about 9 KamAZ trucks, some of which are carrying Tochka-U missiles,..."
1: You can easily adjust them
2: Russia has captured several Ukrainian ammunition depots during this war...
So they can perfectly have missiles with Ukrainian serial numbers.
An imporant railroad and its a strategic city for Donbass. --> Ukrainian troop movement is also by train.
Russia attacked other railroads and stations on 07 April:
Mentioned here: t.me/truexanewsua/3…
An other question: why should Ukraine attack Kramatorsk and blame it on Russia?
Russia has already commited a dozen WarCrimes, why would this one make a huge difference that Ukraïne is willing to place their friendship with the West on the line?
Ukraine needs the railroads.
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This was Kramatorsk on 07 April 2022:
"Video from #Kramatorsk train station. All the people trapped. Now you understand why mothers write contact details on their children’s bodies."
Did we already mention it was MH17 all over again?
"Kremlin affiliated media first proudly reported the #Kramatorsk massacre, claiming their missile hit an ammunition train that arrived yesterday evening."
Also we want to thank the OSINT community for supporting us and providing us with enough information.
This is a team effort!
Updates wil be placed under this thread with xx/
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Please keep in mind that any launch site could have been used for the attack on Kramatorsk:
Not every launch is filmed, on the contrary, and both parties use a lot of missiles.
We wanted to demonstrate that it was possible and Russia has the Tochka-U in use.
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Some people are attacking our claim that Russia uses the Tochka, they argue that a BAZ-5921 and a BAZ-5922 can also be used for other euh 'things'.
Wrong.
The BAZ-5921 and BAZ-5922 have been specially developed for using Tochka.
Some people claim this could also be an explanation for the sightings.
WRONG
The 1L269 Credo-1S surveillance radar has a different front cabine.
All the pictures seems to be from the same vehicle --> As far as we know it was a prototype.
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We we made one mistake in tweet 16:
The BAZ-5921 and the BAZ-5922 is not only made for the Tochka-U (like we said in that tweet) but for all the Tochka versions. But the Tochka-U is the most updated version...
"We’ve been able to visually confirm that a banned cluster bomb was used in last week’s attack on Kramatorsk railway station in Ukraine which killed more than 50."
It has come to our attention that our previous investigation thread did not achieve the desired outcome. For this reason, we have conducted further research and wish to clarify some important points:
Although we had intended to demonstrate that the site was not a new mass grave for 180 individuals recently killed by the IDF, as had been insinuated, we underestimated how our initial thread was subsequently used. We did not provide sufficient context, and we now aim to rectify that.
The fact that Palestinians had to bury their loved ones within the hospital complex, in any available space, is a direct consequence of the surrounding and occupation of the hospital by IDF forces. A significant number of the deaths are also the result of the ongoing conflict.
We want to emphasize that open-source intelligence (OSINT) cannot fully capture the extent of what occurred on the hospital grounds.
After our initial investigation, additional questions arose, prompting us to delve deeper into this matter.
Our first thread:
Our temporary update:
We have been able to geolocate dozens of videos.
To make this information more accessible and easier to follow, we have named the three cemeteries based on their respective locations:
Cemetery South
This cemetery is located south of the road, under the palm trees.
Cemetery North
This cemetery is situated north of the road.
Cemetery East
This cemetery is located in the corner of the area.
By naming the cemeteries according to their geographic locations, we aim to provide a more organised and readable presentation of the findings. This approach eliminates the need to include geolocation proof for every individual video, making the information more concise and easier to comprehend.
We will publish our findings in a timely manner to encourage further thought, discussions and investigations on these matters.
This will be a long thread.
The translations were done by using Google translate and Google image translator.
Special thanks to @MiddleEastBuka, @TwistyCB and @GeoRaccoon for their work. Thanks to specific people from outside the GeoConfirmed network for the advice given.
[Every blue pin is a geolocated video between 22 January and now]
One of the earliest reports we found described the dire situation faced by Palestinians during the ongoing siege, where they were forced to bury their dead inside hospital grounds due to the siege of the hospital by IDF.
Source:
"A number of martyrs were buried within the walls of Nasser Hospital due to the occupation’s siege of the hospital, and the martyrs’ families were unable to bury them in the cemeteries."
Palestinians are exhuming bodies from the grounds of the Nasser Medical Complex hospital complex in Khan Younis, Gaza.
This is occurring at the same location where mass graves were dug and burial ceremonies had taken place by Palestinians in recent months. (Proof in this thread)
Footage from Palestinians digging graves/mass graves dated 25 January, 28 January and 03 February while IDF entered the hospital around 15 February.
Quote from
“In the hospital courtyard, civil defence members and paramedics have retrieved 180 bodies buried in this mass grave by the Israeli military." (By Al Jazeera’s Hani Mahmoud)
Conclusion:
This is disinformation by Al Jazeera and others:
This is a known graveyard/mass grave and at least partially dug by Palestinians.
This does not exclude that graves could have been added when the hospital was occupied by Israeli forces.aljazeera.com/news/2024/4/21…
25 JAN 2024 - Palestinian burials by Palestinian people in Nasser Hospital. (VID 01)
An estimation of 75 graves (3 rows of 25 graves) are visible on this video at the exact place where they claimed to have found a mass grave made by the Israeli military.
Palestinians are exhuming bodies from the grounds of the Nasser Medical Complex hospital complex in Khan Younis, Gaza.
This is occurring at the same location where mass graves were dug and burial ceremonies had taken place by Palestinians in recent months. (Proof in this thread)
Footage from Palestinians digging graves/mass graves dated 25 January, 28 January and 03 February while IDF entered the hospital around 15 February.
Quote from
“In the hospital courtyard, civil defence members and paramedics have retrieved 180 bodies buried in this mass grave by the Israeli military." (By Al Jazeera’s Hani Mahmoud)
Conclusion:
This is disinformation by Al Jazeera and others:
This is a known graveyard/mass grave and at least partially dug by Palestinians.
This does not exclude that graves could have been added when the hospital was occupied by Israeli forces.aljazeera.com/news/2024/4/21…
25 JAN 2024 - Palestinian burials by Palestinian people in Nasser Hospital. (VID 01)
An estimation of 75 graves (3 rows of 25 graves) are visible on this video at the exact place where they claimed to have found a mass grave made by the Israeli military.
Last night, Ukraine executed one of its most extensive combined drone strikes in history, according to preliminary reporting: At least 100 drones were involved in the attacks, targeting at least three areas in Russia: Kursk, Engels Airbase, and Morozovsk Airbase. Additionally, there are reports that Belgorod, Voronezh, and Rostov-on-Don may also have been targeted.
In this thread we will publish the different geolocations.
VID 01:
Air defense working and explosions seen in direction of Morozovsk Air Base.
The spreading of misinformation through insinuations is also a well-known tactic. Questions are posed with insinuations in order to sow confusion because the answer is not known. In this case, the hidden insinuation is that it could be a military staged operation. It is NOT.
In this viral tweet with 750k views, 2500 RT's, ... the author asks 4 questions, we will answer them all based on geolocations: a fact.
The geolocation of the footage below is part of our huge GeoConfirmed 7 October Investigation:
Over 400 different captured 'incidents' have been analyzed, with the majority being geolocated and evaluated in terms of both space and time. There are still hundreds remaining to be processed. In the future we will share our investigation with our audience.
The author asks the following questions:
1) Where are these people fleeing from? 2) Why don't the cars match? 3) Why doesn't the landscape match? 4) Why are there no trees?
In short:
1) Hamas militants are shooting at them. 2) Because the drone video (Drone Vid) was recorded 600 meters further than the video of the fleeing civilians. (Vid 01) 3) Because (Vid 01) is recorded 600m away from the road. And even on google maps some very big fields are visible in the area. 4) Because (Vid 01) is taken in a big field.
Of course, in the following thread, we will provide a detailed explanation so that everyone can understand how we were able to answer the questions.
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Firstly, we searched for the original videos in our database. We will list them below along with the source. The videos are named "Drone vid" and "Vid 01"
Drone vid:
Footage taken from the entrance towards the festival on the 232 road, filming north.