We managed to geolocate two different launch locations based on 9 GeoConfirmations.
We don't know how long this thread will be and additional information later on will also be placed in this thread, so we number it "xx/"
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At least 50 people, including five children, were killed after a missile strike on a railway station in Kramatorsk, eastern Ukraine, that was being used by civilians trying to flee the fighting, Ukrainian officials said Friday.
For this reason we will not post GeoConfirmed sightings. In some occasions we can even guess from wich appartement the footage was made and we do not want to endanger the person who filmed it.
We added the direction of the smoke on the map and we concluded 2 possible launch sites:
Sadove (Садове) and between Hirne (Гірне) and Ternove (Тернове)
This is based on the direction from 9 GeoConfirmed locations. Smoke is impacted by wind, so we drew boxes.
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For these estimated launch boxes we took in consideration all the GeoConfirmed launches from 07 and 08 April.
Timings = video's with timing in local time (EEST)
The SS-21 Scarab (Russian name: 9M79 "Tochka") is a Russian-made short-range ballistic missile.
The Tochka-U is an improved version of the Tochka using a new missile propellant to increase the range to 120 km and an improved CEP (Circular Error Probable) to less than 95 m.
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Components:
- 9P129: Launcher unit
- 9T218: transporter loader (TL)
- 9T222 (9T238): transport vehicle
- 9V819: automated checkup and testing vehicle
- 9V844: maintenance vehicle
- 9F370: ammunition equipment set
- 9Ya234 missile and 9Ya warhead containers
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A new 3-axle amphibious chassis BAZ-5921 and BAZ-5922 were a future development of the first range of machines 5937/5939 and were made for a new rocket complex. It called 9K79 "Point" and consisted of two main systems - launcher 9P129 and loader 9T218. trucksplanet.com/catalog/model.…
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Point = Tochka-U.
The BAZ-5921 is developed ONLY for the Tochka-U.
Versions with another goal were only prototypes.
Our estimated launch areas are within range for a Tochka-U.
But does Russia is still operating the Tochka-U?
Short answer: Yes.
Long answer 👇
Russia announced it would replace them with Iskander. This also means they definitely have them in storage...
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28 NOVEMBER 2016: "Missile, Rocket and Tube Artillery Corps will fully replace the Tochka-U (NATO reporting name: SS-21 Scarab-B) tactical ballistic missile system with the Iskander-M (SS-26 Stone) complex by 2020."
"In 2020, the newly formed 47th missile and 238th artillery brigades were deployed on the territory of the military garrison of the city of Korenovsk (Krasnodar Territory)."
The 8th combined arms army is fighting in Ukraïne:
"AFU Air Force destroys advanced command post of 8th Combined Arms Army of Southern Military District of Russia at airfield in Chornobayivka – Arestovych"
(General was killed)
"Russian forces concentrated considerable combat power around Mariupol drawn from the 8th Combined Arms Army to the east and from the group of Russian forces in Crimea to the west"
"A column of Russian equipment with “V” marks was moving from Rechitsa towards Gomel, Belarus.
There were at least 8 Tochka-U, several BTR-82a, about 9 KamAZ trucks, some of which are carrying Tochka-U missiles,..."
1: You can easily adjust them
2: Russia has captured several Ukrainian ammunition depots during this war...
So they can perfectly have missiles with Ukrainian serial numbers.
An imporant railroad and its a strategic city for Donbass. --> Ukrainian troop movement is also by train.
Russia attacked other railroads and stations on 07 April:
Mentioned here: t.me/truexanewsua/3…
An other question: why should Ukraine attack Kramatorsk and blame it on Russia?
Russia has already commited a dozen WarCrimes, why would this one make a huge difference that Ukraïne is willing to place their friendship with the West on the line?
Ukraine needs the railroads.
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This was Kramatorsk on 07 April 2022:
"Video from #Kramatorsk train station. All the people trapped. Now you understand why mothers write contact details on their children’s bodies."
Did we already mention it was MH17 all over again?
"Kremlin affiliated media first proudly reported the #Kramatorsk massacre, claiming their missile hit an ammunition train that arrived yesterday evening."
Also we want to thank the OSINT community for supporting us and providing us with enough information.
This is a team effort!
Updates wil be placed under this thread with xx/
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Please keep in mind that any launch site could have been used for the attack on Kramatorsk:
Not every launch is filmed, on the contrary, and both parties use a lot of missiles.
We wanted to demonstrate that it was possible and Russia has the Tochka-U in use.
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Some people are attacking our claim that Russia uses the Tochka, they argue that a BAZ-5921 and a BAZ-5922 can also be used for other euh 'things'.
Wrong.
The BAZ-5921 and BAZ-5922 have been specially developed for using Tochka.
Some people claim this could also be an explanation for the sightings.
WRONG
The 1L269 Credo-1S surveillance radar has a different front cabine.
All the pictures seems to be from the same vehicle --> As far as we know it was a prototype.
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We we made one mistake in tweet 16:
The BAZ-5921 and the BAZ-5922 is not only made for the Tochka-U (like we said in that tweet) but for all the Tochka versions. But the Tochka-U is the most updated version...
"We’ve been able to visually confirm that a banned cluster bomb was used in last week’s attack on Kramatorsk railway station in Ukraine which killed more than 50."
Please be cautious when sharing information about the assassination attempt on former U.S. President Donald Trump. A lot of misinformation and disinformation is circulating regarding this incident.
GeoLocations:
Estimated location of the shooter: 40.858273, -79.970548
Estimated location of Trump: 40.857139, -79.970870
Estimated location of casualties: 40.856939, -79.970926
Estimated location of crane that is hit: 40.856831, -79.971197
Estimated location of this sniper detachment: 40.857092, -79.970372
An example of widely spread misinformation:
In this video you DON'T see the snipers engaging. The three shots are assessed to be from the shooter. What does not mean this team hasn't engaged the shooter at a later time, it's only not visible in the video claiming they did.
We asked experts and fact checkers their opinion:
Always focus on what you DO see and DO hear in a video.
Observations:
After the first shot Trump is reaching for his ear. Almost the same time Sniper One (With the tripod) is repositioning/taking cover. Also Sniper Two is taking cover. A sniper will not immediately shoot after repositioning: it takes a few seconds to zoom in, adjust scope etc.
Three shots are heard with the same specific sound, all three assessed to be from the shooter.
Another video (Vid 01) emerged where bystanders identify the threat before he starts shooting. At 0:03 you hear three shots. At 0:07 you hear 5 more shots in a fast pace but with the same sound as the first three. Followed with what is assessed as another different type of gun shot.
At 0:16 a witness is describing the shooter to be turning in their direction.
At 0:19 another single different sound what is also assessed as another different type of gunshot, is heard.
In Vid 02 you hear them also identifying the shooter and the same sequence of shots is heard.
In Vid 03 you see the location of casualties.
In Vid 04 you see that a crane is hit (at 0:16) near the location where casualties where reported.
In Vid 05 you see the Sniper Team is still repositioning a fraction before the next 5 shots are heard. Sniper One is still looking over his rifle to assess threat location.
So these are observations.
We asked experts for their opinion what we see here. And the thread written by @LtTimMcMillan seems to be accurate. (Vid 06)
Opinion:
1. Snipers are tasked for very far engagements. The shooter was 125m away. It is very likely the was not in their area of responsibility.
2. Snipers that are using their scope have a narrow field of view. You see that Sniper One is using his scope, probably screening far away/in depth. When trying to identify the treat he had to look over his scope and reposition his rifle, because the treat is likely way closer than expected.
This also means that its impossible to state that this specific detachment failed just based on the footage.
You need to know and understand how they work, what their area of responsibility was, and what the communication was they got, etc...
Read the whole thread by @LtTimMcMillan:
In times like this its advised to follow accounts like @Shayan86 and other fact checkers.
Other examples:
"Major blue-tick accounts are falsely claiming that "Antifa extremist Mark Violets" was the shooter at a Trump rally in Pennsylvania today, who earlier revealed his plan in a YouTube video. The video shows Italian football fan Marco Violi, who has nothing to do with the shooting."
An X user claiming they got the wrong guy.
and lots of other claims.
Conclusion:
Stick to what you hear, see, and know.
Recognize that you may not possess the knowledge to comprehend everything, and it's more beneficial to identify experts and read/listen to their insights on topics beyond your expertise.
Ultimately, a thorough investigation will be necessary to understand what is as close to the truth as possible.
Be mindful of misinformation and disinformation, particularly in these times. The rise of engagement farming has exacerbated this threat to a significant degree.
Last night, Ukraine conducted one of its largest drone attacks in the history of this war.
According to various reports, Ukraine used up to 80 drones, identified as 'Liutyi' one-way attack long-range unmanned aircraft, to strike different targets in Novorossiysk, Russia (approximately 350km from the nearest frontline) and the refinery in Tuapse, Russia (approximately 450km from the nearest frontline).
During the attack, which lasted for hours, dozens of drones followed sometimes the same trajectory, without being intercepted by Russian Air Defense, to strike targets inside Russia.
The targeting of Novorossiysk is particularly significant from a strategic perspective because this is the harbor where various ships of the Black Sea fleet have withdrawn to after the strikes on Sevastopol.
Thread with all the geolocated footage.
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At night: Russian AD working in Novorossiysk, first explosions reported.
It has come to our attention that our previous investigation thread did not achieve the desired outcome. For this reason, we have conducted further research and wish to clarify some important points:
Although we had intended to demonstrate that the site was not a new mass grave for 180 individuals recently killed by the IDF, as had been insinuated, we underestimated how our initial thread was subsequently used. We did not provide sufficient context, and we now aim to rectify that.
The fact that Palestinians had to bury their loved ones within the hospital complex, in any available space, is a direct consequence of the surrounding and occupation of the hospital by IDF forces. A significant number of the deaths are also the result of the ongoing conflict.
We want to emphasize that open-source intelligence (OSINT) cannot fully capture the extent of what occurred on the hospital grounds.
After our initial investigation, additional questions arose, prompting us to delve deeper into this matter.
Our first thread:
Our temporary update:
We have been able to geolocate dozens of videos.
To make this information more accessible and easier to follow, we have named the three cemeteries based on their respective locations:
Cemetery South
This cemetery is located south of the road, under the palm trees.
Cemetery North
This cemetery is situated north of the road.
Cemetery East
This cemetery is located in the corner of the area.
By naming the cemeteries according to their geographic locations, we aim to provide a more organised and readable presentation of the findings. This approach eliminates the need to include geolocation proof for every individual video, making the information more concise and easier to comprehend.
We will publish our findings in a timely manner to encourage further thought, discussions and investigations on these matters.
This will be a long thread.
The translations were done by using Google translate and Google image translator.
Special thanks to @MiddleEastBuka, @TwistyCB and @GeoRaccoon for their work. Thanks to specific people from outside the GeoConfirmed network for the advice given.
[Every blue pin is a geolocated video between 22 January and now]
One of the earliest reports we found described the dire situation faced by Palestinians during the ongoing siege, where they were forced to bury their dead inside hospital grounds due to the siege of the hospital by IDF.
Source:
"A number of martyrs were buried within the walls of Nasser Hospital due to the occupation’s siege of the hospital, and the martyrs’ families were unable to bury them in the cemeteries."
Palestinians are exhuming bodies from the grounds of the Nasser Medical Complex hospital complex in Khan Younis, Gaza.
This is occurring at the same location where mass graves were dug and burial ceremonies had taken place by Palestinians in recent months. (Proof in this thread)
Footage from Palestinians digging graves/mass graves dated 25 January, 28 January and 03 February while IDF entered the hospital around 15 February.
Quote from
“In the hospital courtyard, civil defence members and paramedics have retrieved 180 bodies buried in this mass grave by the Israeli military." (By Al Jazeera’s Hani Mahmoud)
Conclusion:
This is disinformation by Al Jazeera and others:
This is a known graveyard/mass grave and at least partially dug by Palestinians.
This does not exclude that graves could have been added when the hospital was occupied by Israeli forces.aljazeera.com/news/2024/4/21…
25 JAN 2024 - Palestinian burials by Palestinian people in Nasser Hospital. (VID 01)
An estimation of 75 graves (3 rows of 25 graves) are visible on this video at the exact place where they claimed to have found a mass grave made by the Israeli military.
Palestinians are exhuming bodies from the grounds of the Nasser Medical Complex hospital complex in Khan Younis, Gaza.
This is occurring at the same location where mass graves were dug and burial ceremonies had taken place by Palestinians in recent months. (Proof in this thread)
Footage from Palestinians digging graves/mass graves dated 25 January, 28 January and 03 February while IDF entered the hospital around 15 February.
Quote from
“In the hospital courtyard, civil defence members and paramedics have retrieved 180 bodies buried in this mass grave by the Israeli military." (By Al Jazeera’s Hani Mahmoud)
Conclusion:
This is disinformation by Al Jazeera and others:
This is a known graveyard/mass grave and at least partially dug by Palestinians.
This does not exclude that graves could have been added when the hospital was occupied by Israeli forces.aljazeera.com/news/2024/4/21…
25 JAN 2024 - Palestinian burials by Palestinian people in Nasser Hospital. (VID 01)
An estimation of 75 graves (3 rows of 25 graves) are visible on this video at the exact place where they claimed to have found a mass grave made by the Israeli military.