Okay, we’ve started doing research on the whole “demo system” thing, because apparently we love tracking sysmed misinformation while we’re bored.
Content warning for discussing ableism against systems throughout the thread. 🧵
For those who don’t know what a “demo system” is, we didn’t either! When we first heard the term we wanted to go ask a demo system what it went. The problem is, we didn’t find any demo systems to ask. Almost certainly, they literally don’t exist.
Let us explain…
When you Google “demo system” you get brought almost instantly to Tiktok. I don’t know how many times a Google search has brought you to Tiktok, but it’s pretty damn rare. Most Tiktok content doesn’t exist in searchable text, just video. So, alarm bells ringing, that’s a hint.
In general, in our experience on Tiktoks, most sysmeds mention demo systems when they talk about endogenic systems, typically as a pair. There are very few “endos dni” bios, and most say “endos/demos dni” instead, which is almost unheard of on other platforms. Interesting.
If you scroll a Tiktok search for demo systems, you see pretty much every sysmed on the platform talking about how awful and ableist they are. When you look at the posts on Tiktok about demo systems, none are from self-identified demo systems. Not one. Genuinely.
We looked SO long and hard. Later we checked other social platforms and multiple search engines with many keyword combos. We found genuinely not a single system using the term for themselves. Not one. Only other systems taking about demo systems unfavorably.
Instead, these posts are all are from sysmeds who seem to have just learned about demo systems (though they don’t say from where) and are shocked, horrified, and/or outraged by the concept. Something like, “I HEARD PEOPLE JUST TRY ON BEING A SYSTEM FOR A DAY? GROSS!!! FUCK THEM!”
Once again, the people these folks are so aggressively railing against and “spreading awareness” about are nowhere to be seen. Very much getting the “made up a guy to be mad at” vibes. But then, how did they make up the guy? Where did the idea come from? That’s the true question.
Very few of the systems making these posts about “demo systems” were bodily adults. As in, almost none. The two, maybe three we found who weren’t minors were all 18. Minors tend to be more vulnerable to misinformation and radicalization against a group, especially on Tiktok.
Note, there were also many accounts that didn’t state their age. I think that not stating whether you’re a minor or adult is more common among minors, but ultimately that’s up for debate, take it how you will.
Tiktok has a horrible searching system, but from what we managed to find just looking, the oldest use of the term “demo system” on Tiktok was in October of 2021. We have reason to believe it is the actual first time the term is used in this way, as a plural/system term.
This post was in response to a seemingly inclusive mixed origin system (very much doesn’t seem to be a troll) on Tiktok asking “We’re pretty scared of joining system servers due to us being endo supporters… can we know your opinion on demo systems first?” to another system.
The system responds (in a rather ableist way, making all sorts of weird assumptions about trauma, big yikes) that no, they don’t support endogenic systems, and don’t know what “demo systems” are. The comments are full of similar confusion: no one knew what a “demo system” was.
Until finally, under a thread of comments asking what they are, someone replies, and quote, “Demo systems is basically someone ‘trying out’ being a ‘system’. Literally it’s all term for fakers :D”
This is when our theory first clicked. And boy, does it make sense.
The original commenter, that seemingly genuine and well-intentioned mixed origin system, asking if the other system supports endogenic systems, used the term “endo” as a shorthand. We don’t use that regularly. Guess what it autocorrects to on our phone.
So, that’s our theory. A system asking about endogenic systems accidentally autocorrected the term “endo” to “demo” and a sysmed, foaming at the mouth for a new way to demonize endogenic systems, came up with a definition that means “icky bad ableist faker” on the spot.
Is this theory 100% proven? Hell no, it is based on us trolling around and trying to figure out how to navigate Tiktok well enough to search for the earliest mention of a term on the platform. However, it makes a lot of sense to us, especially with how Tiktok works.
Tiktok is known to be amazing at spreading hate-based misinformation and radicalizing teens against groups of people seen as weird or unsavory but who are ultimately harmless and sometimes themselves marginalized. This is a documented pattern in its algorithm that concerns many.
We did check other platforms, everything on there is similar. Typically bodily younger sysmeds talking about how bad “demo systems” are, still no self-identified demo systems. Everything found on other platforms was posted after October 2021, so that much tracks.
So, there goes a few sporadic hours of our lives. It’s honestly fascinating. I think it represents a greater pattern of mob mentality and anger-motivated misinformation in sysmed communities. People LOOK for things to get angry at, as a pastime. It’s sought out or sometimes made.
Oh, also, to support our theory, most people use the phrase “trying out being a system” or “trying on being a system” when describing so-called “demo systems” which is the phrasing used in that comment we mentioned from October 2021. It’s almost exclusively described as that.
Also, that other mixed origin system who made the original question comment mentions “demo systems” nowhere else on their account, that question was the first and only instance they use the term. I’m definitely thinking it was autocorrect.
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There’s no shame in not knowing something. You don’t know anything until you learn it. But I think a lot of younger queer folks and queer kids are scared to admit they don’t have that knowledge or experience with queer history, and instead resort to disrespectful assertions.
Gay men and lesbians are not two disparate communities that never overlap or interact with one another. Your mileage may vary, and there’s some local spaces that are more isolated, but the interwoven diverse queer community has always been around. We survived by banding together.
If you’re one of those “Mental Illnesses don’t count as neurodivergence because unlike me, those freaks are ACTUALLY sick and need cured” autistics you are no better than ABA peddling Autism Moms actually.
Have you seriously learned nothing? Do you know what “solidarity” means?
Neurodivergence is a framework which sees diversion from the normative neurotype as inherently neutral. If you do not agree with that assessment the word isn’t for you in the first place. You fundamentally disagree with the beliefs behind the word and its use.
Autistics are being abused under guise of therapeutic “care” in the same way with the same justifications and the same techniques by the same people in the same facilities at the same time as people with schizophrenia, bipolar, BPD, etc. We are facing the same fucking thing!
if you’re wondering why that whole “feel your feelings” advice isn’t working for you it might be because someone told you to “sit with your rage” instead of to kick and punch and scream and yell and fight (literally and/or metaphorically) with your rage
I already know how to numb and dissociate from and bury and quiet my rage, that’s what I was trained to do and I got very good at it. now we’re trying something different, where we actually use it for its intended purpose.
rage is telling you something important. LISTEN.
your feelings are telling you where kyriarchy is and how it manifests. your feelings are the greatest weapons you have. they will sustain you. they will guide you. but not if you just force them down and try to numb them.
Children in my local community were killed by abusive psychiatric “treatments” that are completely unregulated where I live. Their families don’t get to just move on. Their lives will never be the same.
I dare you to look them in their eyes and tell them to “heal and integrate.”
I haven’t seen a dime for the psych abolition work I’ve been doing for over a decade. But my abusers profited absolute dividends off of “caring” for me and others they abused.
“Heal and integrate and move on” is a funny way of saying “shut up” isn’t it?
Fix your heart, Bella.
How many people, vulnerable and poor and young and marginalized, need to die for you to care? An exact number, please. How many lives lost are you able to dismiss as one-off flukes, bad days? How much blood is enough for you? Could anything ever be enough?
just got hate crimed in a sandwich shop for being visibly disabled and wearing a mask, how’s your Friday going?
what’s a couple o’ slurs on a lovely evening such as this
someone made a post once that was something like “I wouldn’t call someone just calling you a slur being hate crimed that implies physical violence” which I think is a bullshit distinction but for some reason it haunts me so I will specify that I am in fact physically safe
you guys know that if you wanna know the history of something you can just type it into google, right? you don’t even have to harass minorities on the internet until they spoonfeed you the information!
1. google “paraphilia” 2. click on the wikipedia page 3. read like the first three paragraphs where John Money’s name pops up 4. google/click “John Money” 5. you now know within the first 2 minutes of absolute basic surface level research why I said that thing I said
if it was harder to find I’d be more sympathetic but come the fuck on
forcing survivors to sift through this information to you to feed it to you in the quickest most digestible way instead of doing a single fucking ounce of work to GOOGLE SOMETHING is beyond me