Most subjective for:
Arsenal 6
Newcastle 6
West Ham 6
Most subjective against:
Norwich 7
C Palace 6
Everton 5
Leicester 5
West Ham 5
Best net subjective:
Arsenal +4
Newcastle +3
Tottenham +3
Worst net subjective:
C Palace -5
Leicester -4
Norwich -4
VAR OVERTURNS, NET SCORE
Liverpool +4
West Ham +4
Arsenal +3
Brentford +3
Man City +3
Southampton +3
Watford +3
Brighton +2
Chelsea +1
Tottenham +1
Aston Villa 0
Crystal Palace 0
Leeds -1
Newcastle -1
Man United -2
Wolves -2
Everton -3
Burnley -6
Leicester City -6
Norwich -6
VAR OVERTURNS, DECISIONS AGAINST
Norwich 11
Everton 9
Newcastle 9
Burnley 8
Leicester 8
Man United 8
Arsenal 6
Brentford 6
Crystal Palace 6
West Ham 6
Wolves 6
Chelsea 5
Leeds 5
Manchester City 5
Aston Villa 4
Brighton 4
Tottenham Hotspur 4
Liverpool 3
Southampton 3
Watford 3
VAR OVERTURNS, DECISIONS FOR
West Ham 10
Arsenal 9
Brentford 9
Man City 8
Newcastle 8
Liverpool 7
Brighton 6
Chelsea 6
Crystal Palace 6
Everton 6
Man United 6
Southampton 6
Watford 6
Norwich 5
Tottenham Hotspur 5
Aston Villa 4
Leeds 4
Wolves 4
Burnley 2
Leicester City 2
THREE-SEASON VAR NET SCORE
Brighton +11
Southampton +6
Crystal Palace +5
Man United +5
Man City +4
Chelsea +2
Newcastle +2
Burnley +1
Everton 0
Liverpool 0
Aston Villa -1
Tottenham -1
West Ham -1
Leicester City -3
Arsenal -4
Wolves -10
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Everton's Alex Iwobi conceded a penalty at Arsenal for handball.
It's a certain penalty to me, but Everton fans will look at the penalty they didn't get against Man City and roll their eyes.
It was further down the arm on Rodri.
Everton received an apology from PGMOL for that error. And of course because you a decision wrong it doesn't mean you should keep making the same mistake.
And it's fair to say that handball position is a problem in all leagues.
AS IT STANDS
Champions League group stage draw, pot 1
🏴 Liverpool or Ajax (UCL-TH place)
🇩🇪 Eintracht Frankfurt (UEL-TH place)
🏴 Manchester City
🇪🇸 Real Madrid
🇮🇹 AC Milan
🇩🇪 Bayern Munich
🇫🇷 Paris Saint-Germain
🇵🇹 FC Porto
(league and European champions)
AS IT STANDS
Champions League group stage draw, pot 2
🏴 Liverpool or Ajax (if not pot 2, then pot 1)
🏴 Chelsea
🇪🇸 Barcelona
🇮🇹 Juventus
🇪🇸 Atletico Madrid
🇪🇸 Sevilla
🇩🇪 RB Leipzig
🏴 Tottenham
Bottom 7 teams all locked in Pot 2
AS IT STANDS
Champions League group stage draw, pot 3
🇩🇪 Borussia Dortmund
🇦🇹 FC Salzburg
🇺🇦 Shakhtar Donetsk
🇮🇹 Inter Milan
🇮🇹 Napoli
🇵🇹 Benfica (if qualify)
🇵🇹 Sporting CP
🇩🇪 Bayer Leverkusen
All locked bar Benfica. If fail to qualify, first to replace in pot 3:
🏴 Rangers
It's time for the Monday VAR thread, which this week seems to be more about offside than anything else...
Including:
- Arsenal goal vs. Brighton
- Man City vs. Liverpool
- Newcastle vs. Wolves (inc. penalty decision)
- Palace penalty retake
- Michael Keane handball
Gabriel Martinelli's disallowed goal for Arsenal against Brighton was the correct decision, but there were two issues with it.
1) it took too long (3 mins, 46 secs)
2) the image displayed wasn't optimum for visualising the decision for supporters
It took a long time for two reasons.
Firstly, it had to be confirmed that the ball was headed towards goal by an Arsenal player and not a defender.
And secondly, the position of the players and the cameras meant it took longer than usual to plot.
This is the future. It is due to be fully launched at the 2022 World Cup, and rolled out to domestic leagues for the 2023-24 season.
Whereas the old VAR offside system used the same broadcast cameras we view the game with, this uses 29 bespoke cameras in the roof of a stadium.
Limb-tracking technology captures the movement of all the players and the ball.
The different systems provide up to 29 data points per player, which make up the players’ animated skeleton to produce the final offside visualisation.
A weekend with a high number of KMIs (key match-changing incidents), so can't cover everything in detail.
So, the Monday VAR thread includes:
- Penalty to Liverpool
- Roberto Firmino and the subjective offside
- Offside perspective
- Newcastle penalty claim
- Red cards
I'll start with a reminder that this thread explains VAR process, plus how and why decisions are reached in relation to the Laws of the Game.
There may be some explanations in this week's thread you won't agree with, but I'll try and show why decisions happened and the flaws.
Starting with Liverpool's penalty at Crystal Palace - and first off I'll say I don't believe this should be advised as a penalty by the VAR.
There's an argument for a penalty, but it's not strong enough for VAR.