With the M777 and CAESAR two of the four artillery systems promised to Ukraine are now confirmed to be at the front in Donbas:
๐บ๐ธ๐ฆ๐บ๐จ๐ฆ M777
๐ฎ๐น FH70
๐ซ๐ท CAESAR
๐ณ๐ฑ๐ฉ๐ช PzH 2000
How do they work? What are their differences? What makes the later two the best?
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All 155 mm NATO howitzers operate the same way and if you have not yet read my earlier thread about operating an American M777 howitzer, please do so now to familiarize yourself with fuzes, projectiles, primers, charges, etc. and how they are used.
M777 and FH70 are towed 155 mm howitzers with 39 caliber barrels.
This means their barrels are 39 ร 155 mm = 6045 mm
This results in an 18 liter charge chamber, which can fit up to 5x M232A1 charges. Therefore the range for both guns is the same.
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The FH70 includes a small engine, which allows the gun crew to drive it into position. The engine also powers the hydraulics to emplace the gun.
This makes the FH70 easier and faster to set up than a M777, which is emplaced by pure muscle power and needs a truck to move.
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The FH70 and M777 use the same projectiles, fuzes, and charges. Only the primers are of different size. The sequence of preparing the projectiles and then loading the gun is also the same.
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Just like the M777, the FH70 has to be sighted optically and adjusted manually. After each shot the gunner has to check and correct the gun.
The M777 A1/A2 are fully digitized and sighted with two LCD displays, but all M777 are adjusted manually too.
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One advantage of the FH70 is the semi-automatic projectile loading. The projectile still needs to be rammed into the barrel, but this still results in a higher rate of fire than the M777.
Other advantages are the automatic loading of the primer when the breech closes and 7/n
the ability to fire the gun from the gunners seat, while the M777 requires the use of a lanyard.
The M777 and FH70 are similar systems and Ukrainian troops will use them in similar ways, which cannot be said about the next two systems. 8/n
CAESAR and PzH 2000 are self-propelled 155 mm howitzers with 52 caliber barrels: 52 ร 155 mm = 8060 mm
The longer barrel allows for a larger charge chamber of 23 liter. This larger chamber can fit up to 6x M232A1 charges, which results in a better range for both systems.
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This one charge more improves the range of both systems for base bleed projectiles from 29 km to 40 km and for standard projectiles from 24 km to 30 km.
But the extended range is not the main advantage of these two systems.
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The CAESAR is fully digitized, with automatic gun laying, semi-automatic projectile loading, automatic ramming, and automatic primer loading. This allows the CAESAR to stop, emplace, fire 6x rounds, and depart in less than 2.5 minutes as this old French Army video shows.
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This speed allows the CAESAR to operate within range of russian artillery. M777 and FH70 crews will likely avoid operating within 20 km of the frontline as there they would be in range of russian counter battery fire.
But counter battery fire is no problem for the CAESAR 12/n
or PzH 2000. Both will be long gone before russian return fire hits:
1) russian radar picks up CAESAR fire 2) russian radar informs a battery to fire back 3) russian battery sights and loads its guns 4) russian battery fires 5) russian projectiles need 70-80 seconds to hit
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but already by the time a russian battery gets the order to fire back the CAESAR and PzH 2000 are gone. This is the main advantage of modern self-propelled artillery: the ability to shoot and scoot.
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The only drawback of the CAESAR is that it carries only 18x rounds. So after 3x stops to fire 6x rounds the CAESAR has to return to the ammunition supply point to reload.
Still the CAESAR is the best artillery systems in Ukraine now... until the PzH 2000 arrives.
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The PzH 2000 is fully digitized, with automatic gun laying, automatic projectile loading, automatic ramming, automatic fuze setting, and automatic primer loading.
The PzH 2000 is also Multiple Round Simultaneous Impact (MRSI) capable - it's the best system in the world.
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The PzH 2000's automatic magazine holds 60 projectiles, sorted to allow the use of different projectiles and fuzes in a fire mission.
Btw: the guy in the back of this photo is the driver. 17/n
The magazine is loaded by hand. It takes about 12 minutes to load all 60 projectiles and 288 charges.
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To speed up reloading the projectiles and fuzes are prepared by a dedicated support crew at the ammunition supply point (the same is done for the CAESAR).
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When the PzH 2000 commander receives a fire mission he orders the driver to park at a suitable location. Once stopped turret and gun barrel automatically deflect and elevate for the fire mission.
If time or proximity fuzes need to be set, the gun does this automatically too. 20/n
Due to all the automation 3x rounds can be fired in 10 seconds. Or 20x rounds in 2 minutes.
After each round the fire computer automatically re-adjusts the barrel and improves accuracy by using data gathered by the radar on the barrel, which measures the projectile's speed.
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The PzH 2000 also has MRSI capability, which means it can calculate and automatically adjust the barrel to deliver up to 5x projectiles at the same moment onto the same target.
No russian system has this capability.
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Sadly Ukraine only will get 12x CAESAR and 12x PzH 2000. Ukraine needs more such systems.
Ukraine is now in talks to acquire Slovak Zuzana 2 howitzers, which are similar in capability to the PzH 2000... but it might take months for them to be built and arrive.
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If we want Ukraine to win this war, we must send more Western artillery: especially self-propelled artillery with 52 caliber barrels and automatic gun laying (CAESAR, PzH 2000, Zuzana 2, AHS Krab (photo), AHS Kryl, K9 Thunder, Archer).
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But we also must send M270 MLRS or M142 HIMARS (photo), because without them russian supply points and long range air defense positions remain out of reach for Ukrainian artillery.
The brave Ukrainians need our help. Let us be brave like them and send them all they need.
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Gripen fans continue to spam my mention with claims how fantastic Sweden's Bas 90 and Gripen combination is... and that it would work for Canada's North too...
Ok, let's quickly compare Canada's three northern territories (Yukon, Northwest, Nunavut) and Sweden... ... 1/6
Land area:
๐ธ๐ช 450,295 km2 (173,860 sq mi)
๐จ๐ฆ terr.: 3,593,589 km2 (173,860 sq mi)
The land area of just the three territories (without Canada's 10 provinces) is already 8 times bigger than all of Sweden...
(In total Canada's land area is 9,984,670 km2
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(3,855,100 sq mi) or 22 times Sweden).
Population:
๐ธ๐ช 10.61 million
๐จ๐ฆ terr.: 0.13 million
Sweden's population is 81.6 times bigger than that of the three territories... and if you look at population density:
๐ธ๐ช 23,6/km2
๐จ๐ฆ terr.: 0,013/km2
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Saab loooves to tout the claim that the Gripen can "operate from dispersed air bases".
They do that, because they know no one of you knows what it means. And every time I see someone regurgite "dispersed air bases" (or "road runways" or "short runways") I know I am dealing
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with someone, who knows absolutely nothing about the topic.
So allow me to take you on a deep dive into what "operating from dispersed air bases" actually means.
Let's start with Sรฅtenรคs Air Base in Southern Sweden - the most important Swedish air base. 2/n
When the Viggen entered service, Sรฅtenรคs received it first.
When the Gripen entered service, Sรฅtenรคs received it first.
When the Gripen E entered service, Sรฅtenรคs received it first.
In the 1950s Sweden developed the Bas 60 system, which would have dispersed the Swedish 3/n
The 11th Airborne Division is the least likely to be used to invade #Greenland.
The division's deputy commander is Canadian. He is responsible for Operations. The 11th would have to arrest part of their own officers, before being able to plan a Greenland invasion.
Also
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there are just 8 C-17 Globemaster aircraft at Elmendorf Air Force Base. The USAF would need to fly a dozen more up to Alaska, which of course Canada would notice. Then to reach Greenland the C-17 would have to cross Canada's North, which NORAD's Canadian officers would report
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to the Canadian and Danish governments.
It is much more likely the US will inform allies that a brigade of the 82nd Airborne Division at Fort Bragg will fly to the Middle East, which means the air route will take them right over Greenland. And at Fort Bragg you also have the
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This is a typical clown tweet by someone, who knows nothing about WWII.
3 years before D-Day, the Soviets & nazis were in a love-feast, while the US had not entered the war; & when it did it had to cross an ocean full of nazi submarines to stage troops & materiel for D-Day.
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And unlike the warmongering Soviets, which in June 1941 fielded 304 divisions, the US Army fielded just 37 divisions when Japan attacked Pearl Harbor (+ two Marine Corps divisions).
Before any D-Day the US Army had to start forming new divisions (38 in 1942 and 17 in 1943) &
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then ship those divisions across the Atlantic, which was teeming with German subs, while the Soviets just used trains to bring troops and materiel to the front (& if the Soviet had had to ship troops across an ocean, they would have just accepted that a third of their troops
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The @RoyalAirForce - once the strongest air force in Western Europe... but now...
7 Eurofighter Typhoon squadrons are expected to fulfill the tasks, for which 35 years ago the RAF fielded 40 squadrons (31 active & 4 reserve + 5 shadow squadrons, which would have been formed
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from the personnel & fighters of the RAF's operational conversion units).
At the end of the Cold War these 40 squadrons were assigned to 4 commands, each with a specific mission & enough aircraft to fulfill their mission.
No. 1 Group was tasked with striking Soviet forces
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in Northern Germany, including with WE.177 tactical nukes.
The Group fielded 8 active, 4 reserve and 2 shadow squadrons, which flew Tornado GR1, Jaguar GR1A, and Harrier GR5 fighters (the reserve squadrons flew Hawk T1A). The group also included the RAF's 3 aerial
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Since there are still people claiming the Gripen is the "ideal fighter for Canada"... here are the refueling stops the Gripen C/D needed to get from Ronneby in Sweden to Eielson Air Base in Alaska.
So of course this is an "ideal fighter" for Canada... as it will have to stop 1/5
at every Canadian airfield to refuel...
For the curious ones:
On 13 July 2006 five Gripen C and two Gripen D left
their base in Ronneby Sweden. They refueled at RAF Lossiemouth in Scotland, then flew to NAS Keflavik in Iceland, where they refueled and stayed overnight.
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On 14 July the Gripens flew to Sondre Stromfjord in Greenland for another refueling, then proceeded to RCAF Iqualuit in Canada for refueling and the night.
On 15 July the Gripens flew to Churchill, refuelled and then flew to RCAF Cold Lake, where they spent 16 July to rest.
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