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Jun 13 25 tweets 7 min read
Covid (@UCSF) Chronicles, Day 848
It’s been a few weeks since my last update – the flow of Covid news & research has slowed a bit. But there’s still plenty of questions that come up, so in this🧵I’ll answer a few that I get asked commonly, including how my wife is doing. (1/25)
Many people ask how my wife @katiehafner fared after her Covid case – we truly appreciate the concern.
The answer is: not great. Now 5 weeks post-infection, Katie has pretty bad fatigue, some brain fog, & periodic headaches. So, according to the most common definition of…(2/25)
…Post-Acute Sequelae of SARS-CoV-2 (PASC) (AKA, Long Covid), she now has it (though @WHO criteria is >2 months of symptoms).
Whatever the definition, it sucks – she’s an amazingly high energy person, & now she's wiped out most afternoons.

What have we learned about LC? (3/25)
A recent meta-analysis found ~40% of people have at least 1 symptom months after a case of Covid. Subtracting out the significant fraction of the general population with symptoms like fatigue, the attributable prevalence is probably more like 20%.(4/25)
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The prevalence is lower if the initial case was mild, & a bit higher in women than men. Until recently, we thought vaccination lowered chances of Long Covid by 50%. But a recent study of breakthrough infections found only a 15% protective effect. (5/25) nature.com/articles/s4159…
Of course, even good odds are no guarantee: Katie had a fairly mild initial case, and was fully vaxxed & double boosted. Yet here we are, with symptoms that are unpleasant every day, and on some days truly interfere with her ability to work. (6/25)
Does Paxlovid Rx for acute Covid lower the risk of Long Covid? We really don’t know. We DO know that Pax treatment lowers the rate of hospitalizations. I had hoped that Pax might also lower the risk of LC by quickly reducing the viral load. But Katie had rebound after…(7/25)
…she finished her Pax (there’s still virtually no data on Pax rebound – cause? prevalence? how to avoid?), which left me less confident that it might help prevent LC. In fact, I now wonder whether her rebound increased her odds of LC? No way to know, but crucial to study. (8/25)
As for treatment for Long Covid, there are lots of anecdotes (including [below], from my colleagues @UCSF, that a course of Paxlovid given to people with LC might work) but we still need a lot more data to be sure. (9/25) ucsf.edu/news/2022/05/4….
How about the spate of studies that came out a few months ago pointing to higher long-term rates after Covid of heart attack, stroke, diabetes, blood clots, and even shrinking brain? I keep hoping... (10/25) nature.com/articles/s4159…
nature.com/articles/d4158…
nature.com/articles/s4158…
... that someone will discover a methodologic flaw in these studies, since the findings are frightening. While there’s always a risk of confounding (ie, that someone with undiagnosed diabetes or heart disease is more susceptible to Covid, so it’s really effect→cause… (11/25)
… rather than cause→effect), at this point I find the overall conclusions credible, and thus I'm unable to talk myself out of these two disconcerting premises: (12/25)
1) Tens of millions of people with Covid will have ongoing symptoms that interfere with quality of life; in some they’ll be disabling, &
2) A Covid infection may significantly increase the long-term risk of non-infectious problems like heart attacks, diabetes, & dementia. (13/25)
I’m totally aware of what a bummer this is, & how nice it would be to wish Long Covid away. But I can't.

While we fret, let's also celebrate some great news: the risk of acute Covid (hospitalization/ICU/death) has become, for the vast majority of vaxxed/boosted people,… (14/25)
…such a low-probability event that, in a clear-eyed risk assessment, it barely registers. Below is CDC data showing that the risk of death for someone vaxxed & boosted is 0.1/100,000. Driving is riskier.
(Of course, if you’re not vaccinated the risk remains quite real.)(15/25) Image
So that’s our current conundrum: a dramatically lower risk from acute infection, coupled with uncertain but very real long-term risks – both layered atop 2.5 years of changing science, partisanship, and misinformation. No wonder people are exhausted and want to move on! (16/25)
And there’s a problem in how humans weigh risks: we are far better at processing acute risks than chronic ones. There’s no analog to the daily death count to illustrate Long Covid's toll; no abnormal blood test or x-ray to accompany (and, to some, validate) the symptoms.(17/25)
And, as for a heart attack or stroke or cognitive decline whose risk was increased by Covid….Well, it’s impossible to know – in any individual case – that Covid had anything to do with it. The risk is remote and probabilistic, which means it’s mostly going to be ignored. (18/25)
With all of this in mind, how am I living my life?
Since 2021, I’ve used a threshold of <10-20 cases/100K/day in a region to “let my guard down” (mostly meaning resumption of indoor restaurant dining and not wearing a mask in crowded indoor spaces). (19/25)
Below this threshold, the odds that the waiter in the restaurant or the person standing near me in line at the Safeway have Covid is negligible. And so it seems safe enough to ditch the mask and go indoors for food.
Are we near this threshold today? Sadly, not even close. (20/25)
In SF, cases have plateaued, but at a sky-high level: 454 cases/d (Fig), or ~55/100K/d.
Of course, w/ home testing this case count is probably ~1/5th the actual #. So cases in SF are probably more like 275/100K/day (akin to Jan. surge), or ~25X my de-masking threshold.(21/25) Image
Our asymptomatic test positivity rate @UCSFHospitals has also plateaued… at 5.7%, meaning that one in 17 people who feels well would test positive for Covid. That means that in a crowd of 50 San Franciscans who feel fine, there’s a 95% chance that one would test positive.(22/25) Image
This high risk of infection – coupled with significant risk of long-term harm – is what motivates me to stay careful, mostly by wearing good mask in indoor spaces. I hope rates will come down, or we’ll get reassuring news about Long Covid, or something else happens that… (23/25)
… makes me comfortable returning to “normal.” But with each variant getting more infectious and immune-evasive, I don’t see that happening anytime soon.
I’m living a fairly full life (no hesitation to travel, for example), but it’s with a KN95 in place in most indoor settings.
Of course I understand why so many folks have made a different call. Being careful is taxing, & no longer a guarantee of remaining Covid-free.
But the threat – mostly of long-term problems – seems too big to ignore. Watching Katie’s last 5 weeks only adds to my resolve. (25/End)

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More from @Bob_Wachter

May 24
I was asked by a reporter today if I’d take Paxlovid if I had Covid. Last month, this would have been easy: as a 64-year-old person w/ asthma, the answer was an unequivocal YES.
Today, it’s a closer call – in this🧵I’ll lay out the reasons why, and then give you my answer.(1/25)
First, an update on my wife @katiehafner's Paxlovid rebound:
Katie finally tested negative yesterday, so her chronology is:
Pos for 8 days
Neg for 4 days
Pos for 5 days
Now negative & feeling better. (Hopefully it'll stay that way; I haven’t heard of double rebounds). (2/25)
Katie’s rebound involved not only reversion to a positive test (& 5 more days of strict isolation waiting for return of neg test) but an⬆in symptoms, mostly fatigue (now improving).
In my Twitter poll last week , 45% reported that they had rebound…(3/25)
Read 25 tweets
May 19
We're hearing lots of reports of Paxlovid rebound, but there are no good data about prevalence. Yesterday I polled my followers to learn more.

The results (next tweet) are striking. (Of course, keep in mind caveats regarding on-line polling results.)(1/13)
As of now, there've been 4846 responses. 93% either didn’t have Covid recently or hadn’t taken Pax.
Of the ~350 respondents who HAD taken Paxlovid for Covid, ~46% said they experienced rebound (new symptoms plus a test that went from – to +), vs. 54% who said they did not.(2/13) Image
In the Pax clinical trial, rebound was seen in 2%, so clearly we’re seeing a big difference in real-life use. If the poll results are even close to accurate, we need urgent study by @pfizer & @US_FDA to answer questions about a medication being Rx'ed 20K times a day in U.S.(3/13)
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May 18
If you follow me, you know that my wife @katiehafner had Covid last week, took Paxlovid, & is now testing negative.
In this 🧵(w/ a few polls to see your thoughts), I’ll discuss what to do in the post-Covid period, in light of the latest Covid curveball, Paxlovid rebound. (1/25)
To recap: Katie taught at a science writer’s workshop in Sante Fe, May 2-6. There were 50 attendees. Vax required; testing not. Masks were optional. Katie masked during sessions, but ate with the group indoors multiple times. Her symptoms began on Saturday May 7, and she… (2/25)
…tested positive Sunday May 8. She felt awful (terrible headache, congestion, fatigue) on Sunday and Monday; she began Paxlovid Monday, May 9. By Tuesday, she was feeling much better (which she attributed to the Paxlovid, though who really knows). She stayed in … (3/25)
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May 9
The latest Omicron variant (BA.2.12.1) is the most infectious yet, & it’s snagging tons of people who have avoided Covid for > 2 years. It’s hitting close to home for me, so tonight’s 🧵is about that…with a few poll questions to see how your thinking lines up with mine. (1/23)
My wife, @katiehafner, like me a healthy 64-year-old, has been quite careful but – with my encouragement – has re-engaged with the world, confident that her 2 vaccine shots and 2 boosters will protect her from serious illness, and reconciled to the fact that Covid may not…(2/23)
… get much better than it is now for the next several years. So last week (M-F), she taught at a writing workshop – there were about 45 attendees and 5 instructors. Course attendees had a vaccination requirement. Masks were optional. The attendees & instructors… (3/23)
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May 4
The steady drumbeat of cases, coupled w/ CDC’s finding that 60% of Americans have had Covid cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/7…, naturally raises the inevitability question: Are we all destined to get Covid? And, is it worth remaining careful?
I’ll address these questions in this 🧵. (1/25)
It can certainly FEEL inevitable – especially when every day brings news of Covid+ friends & family, including many who are vaxxed/boosted & staying careful. Omicron sub-variant BA.2.12.1 is remarkably infectious, leading to a real (& underestimated) ⬆in U.S. cases (Fig). (2/25)
Nevertheless, I don’t think it’s inevitable that we’ll all get Covid in 2022-23. For folks (like me) who have dodged the bullet so far, I’m fairly – but not 100% – confident that we can remain Covid-free by acting prudently, adjusting behavior based on the current threat.(3/25)
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May 2
Covid case numbers less reliable than before (home testing, fewer test sites). Our @UCSF asymptomatic test pos rate (ATPR) remains a good proxy for community prevalence.
Bad news: in last few weeks, ATPR is⬆3-fold, now 3.4%. Implies ~1/30 asymptomatic folks in SF are pos. (1/4)
In last mth, SF has become far less mask-y. At this point, if you've decided you're OK getting Covid (which isn't crazy if vaxxed/boosted), then fine to keep mask off in crowded indoor spaces. If you'd prefer to avoid Covid & have become less cautious, it's time to re-think.(2/4)
I'd still like to avoid Covid (mostly worried about Long Covid symptoms & long-term risks (heart/neuro/diabetes); also disruption of daily life). I'd slipped a bit re: masking in non-crowded spaces, & gotten less careful re: restaurants. I'm resuming more cautious behavior. (3/4)
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