1. Intelligence - There was some intelligence about unusual and significant build up by Pak given by IB, R&AW. But it did not say that heights, posts vacated by us would be occupied. Such INT is very hard to get because you need
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a source at the heart of the enemy military leadership
Could the Army have put the INT pieces together and read enemy intentions ? Yes, some did that but senior cdrs did not heed them. Ml warned in Aug '98 that 500 Afghans had been concentrated to Gurikot NJ7959 for ingress
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Brig Surinder Singh Cdr 121 INF Bde had given warnings on how intrusions could happen and how NH1A could be interdicted. GOC 3 Div Maj Gen VS Budhwar had been warned of weaknesses in Kargil defences but he ignored these warnings. Famously, he had ordered units to procure wild
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animals for a zoo !
FAILING - SENOR CDRS INCL COAS FAILED TO READ ENEMY INTENTIONS
2. First reports of intrusions - When the intrusions were first reported on 3rd May, their importance was not understood by GOC 3 Div/15 Corps, GOCnC NC and AHQ
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Famously the army chief proceeded to Poland on 9th May on official work, took a short holiday and came back only on the 20th. A lot had happened by then -Lt Suarbh Kalia's patrol went missing on the 5th of May and army had started troop movement from valley to Kargil
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even then Cdrs had not grasped the enormity of the situation. Or if they had they tried to brush it under the carpet lest uncomfortable questions were asked by political leadership
So they sent in suicidal attacks. Cdr 121 Bde Brig Surinder Singh said ''there are just a few
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bring them down by the scruff of their necks''
We should have concentrated troops, built up arty, launched deliberate operations. But for that Cdrs would have to tell political leadership the truth
FAILING - CDRS TRIED TO HIDE FACTS AND SENT TROOPS ON SUICIDAL ASSAULTS
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These failings cost us a lot of lives that needn't have been lost
It was only after the political leadership was told the full truth and time was taken to concentrate troops, build up arty and do deliberate operations that the tide turned
3. Witch hunts - After the war
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witch hunts were launched against some officers including a Major who reported intrusion. But the guilty are GOC 3 Div Maj Gen VS Budhwar and GOC 15 Corps Lt Gen Krishan Pal
Gen Pal self evaluated himself saying he had shown ''an example of Generalship unparalleled in the
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history of warfare''
Instead of holding him accountable for gross failure he was elevated to QMG, a PSO (Principal Staff Officer) posting
FAILING - FAILURE OF MORAL FIBRE. THOSE WHO SHOULD HAVE BEEN HELD ACCOUNTABLE WERE NOT AND JUNIORS WERE SCAPEGOATED
Sir allow me to first look at impact to the war fighting ability of army because that is the critical issue. I will address your questions at the end of the thread
1. Training - Training period in regimental centres in Infantry is 9 months. But is a jawan ready to fight
when he joins the unit after 9 months training ? NO
He is not even trusted with a LMG. It takes years of structured training plus operational experience to grow into a useful soldier. He does MMG, Mortar, Driving, missile courses over the years in training schools. He is
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groomed during operations by senior NCOs, JCOs. Decades of hard earned knowledge is passed down. Imbibed. Internalised. Its only at 5 years that senior jawans stop calling him a recruit. That's when he does the Umeedwar Cadre for promotion to L/Nk
I have insight into the govt point of view. It is - we don't want to spend more on defence, Revenue/capital expenditure ratio must be reduced. Their think tanks also believe that army is too big and must be reduced. Fine. But then lets evaluate reducing nos. But we are raising 1/
Lets look at troop & firepower mix, HQs etc. For example, do we need SWC now that it controls only 10 Corps ? Can we move officers into DPSUs, MOD and reduce Col and above vacancies in army. I doubt all of this will make any substantial difference to costs
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but will enhance efficiency, welfare and morale.
But we are keeping same troop nos, in fact increasing them by new raisings but bringing in this TOD which will just decimate the quality, cohesion and fighting capabilities of existing units
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Ranchi Police exercsied extreme restraint in dealing with murderous mobs who's modus operandi was very similar to Kashmiri terrorists
1. Two terrorists (read thread to see why they should be classified as terrorists) died in hospital several hours after being injured. Ranchi
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Police is seen to be equipped with AK series rifles. A 7.62*39 AK round at 250 yards is almost guaranteed to kill the target on the spot. One reason is that army is trained to shoot at centre of mass to ensure "ek goli ek dushman". In Ranchi both terrorists received a few
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rounds but died several hours later. Police fires at murderous mobs at ranges shorter than 250 yards (230 meters) because they do this as a last resort. There is ample video evidence that police was very close to the rioters. Remember, they had lathi charged before and then
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General sahab and his wife were to visit an artillery unit deployed somewhere on the western border. The entire unit was doing hectic preparations. Soon preparations were complete. CO sahab being a thorough professional
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naturally conducted rehearsals. Adjt being even more thorough suggested that a Young Officer be detailed to spend the night in the beautiful ''machan'' accomodation they had prepared for Gen and his lady wife so that any lucanae maybe identified and fixed before the visit
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Capt sahab was duly detailed and armed with his notebook and pen (to note down ''points'') he spent the night in the VIP accomodation
After breakfast Capt sahab gave his recce report - Sir everything was fine but my sleep was disturbed at dwan by chirping of birds. This is
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There are two measures that govt is taking soon will completely reverse Art 370 removal
1. Delimitation - Delimitation is expected to be on 2011 census which was a fraud per BJP itself. In 2002 Jammu population was more than Kashmir but 2011 census says Kashmir population
increased by 14 lacs an increase of 25% and all of them were voters according to the census. But Jammu population went up only by 19% and only 5% were voters
So according to 2011 census Jammu population has reduced significantly vs Kashmir. BJP called this a fraud then
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But are now said to be basing delimitation on this census.
This will hand power back to ji@h@dis
2. PM is very keen to do elections in JK this year without resolving the population and demographics issue. When the Islamist JK government (and yes it will be an islamist govt
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You call #Putin a butcher for a very low casualty war that NATO, US Military Industrial complex started
What do you call US Presidents who dropped 7.5 million tonne of bombs = 469 Hiroshima Bombs on Vietnam. Your war killed 3.2 million Vietnamese
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What do you call George Bush Sr who dropped 90,000 tonnes = 6 Hiroshima bombs on Iraq and killed 50,000-60,000 Iraqis
Or George Bush Jr Gulf War 2 who decimated Iraq again, killed 600,000
Or Harry Truman who dropped nuclear bombs on Hiroshima, Nagasaki killing 200,000
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Your people came to America, a beautiful continent and destroyed the inhabitants - Native Americans. You stole their lands, killed them, destroyed their way of life and kept making treaties with them and then breaking them. You did genocide of the #NativeAmericans Americans
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