So, yet again the UK is an outlier for kids vax.
Kids turning 5 after Aug22 are now unable to access SARS2 vax.
This is short-sighted, will cause profound harm in the short term, and could be detrimental to "living with" COVID in the longer term. Short 🧵
The UK has an established narrative that infection in children, esp Omicron, is harmless. Whilst IFR in recent ADULT vaccinees is lower, we've long known that omicron ≈ delta 4 <18s. So MASSIVE prevalence = huge impact. Excellent summary from @dgurdasani1
There are many that quote the incidence of severe disease in kids relative to adult disease, this is the wrong comparison. Other vax preventable infections in kids cause ⬇️⬇️harm. Also, ratios are fine 4 personal risk, but you MUST assess ABSOLUTES across populations.
Parents and carers should also remember that severe disease is not the only outcome. Morbidity and sometimes major long term complications are devastating for CYP. #LongCovidKids is well recognised by @WHO, yet UK exceptionalism strikes again. @LongCovidKids, @BinitaKane
There's a growing idea that allowing kids to be infected with SARS2 is somehow beneficial. This perverse twist on the hygiene hypothesis is profoundly worrying and shows poor understanding again of individual vs population risks and Immunity.
Yes, there are certainly differences
in disease course depending upon age of exposure, and there are too many infections to vax vs all, but we accept the price of a certain level of more severe disease because the population comes out OK. This is part of the balance maintaining endemicity for many viruses, but it
doesn't mean this couldn't be improved upon.
I always refrain from virus top trumps bc kids (and adults) can be laid low by flu, RSV, rhino, AdV etc, just ask @SmallRedOne, but we accept this pragmatically fue to sheer numbers.
Disrupting this equilibrium has been referred to as
"Immunity debt"...again, this comes down to population vs individual risks. Influenza was effectively eliminated in the UK by COVID mitigations, and we're rightly concerned that it's coming back. BUT, we have good vaccines, with the right support we can deal with this. Other
viruses have reestablished since schools returned in 2021...RSV and others have been nasty...we don't have the right tools to deal with this. However, this has been used as a stick with which to beat the idea of kids COVID vax...just cos we can't fix one problem we ignore others?
Obviously not. Where would we be if we took the view that the diseases covered by the preschool vax programmes should be left to "natural" infection to establish a new endemic set point? Was Wakefield not damaging enough with MMR? The recent polio scare is deeply troubling, BUT
our inclusion of polio in kids vax means recent boosters are thankfully precautionary, rather than desperately necessary...
Why don't we use vax for all these diseases? Well, it's partly logistics, cost v benefits etc as you'd expect, but sometimes, as with RSV, we simply can't.
The other human coronaviruses are in this infection/endemic balancing act, and we accept the price, but, we also lack the tools. Previous veterinary coronavirus vax were poorly effective. We also see reinfection with these viruses every few years...this is partly what maintains
their equilibrium. BUT, we have a situation with SARS2 where not only do vaccines work much better, but as a population the consequences of not vaccinating are profound...vax will stabilise things towards endemicity far quicker than allowing mass/multiple reinfection in kids and
adults alike. Why wait, especially when the cost to society is so large?
We know infection alone in kids generates poor immunity vs infection, vax, or vax+infection (never ideal) is many times better.
Any vax carries risk, but the paediatric dose effectively negates myocarditis
risk in kids, the risk v benefit was agreed by JCVI and other groups across the planet. In many countries this applies to <5s as well, ask @PeterHotez
SARS2 is currently not stable virologically either, new VoCs and overall prevalence means we cannot just crowbar this into being
another seasonal CoV, at least not until we start to see a balance. Protection of kids before they enter the COVID crucible of unmitigated primary schools seems like a no brainer, surely? We can also infer from adults that at least some protection vs #LongCovidKids should ensue.
Finally, as above, we're NOT in an endemic scenario for SARS2, which could take years. Not routinely vaccinating kids will mean this takes far longer, kids will suffer, and vax cannot currently do this job alone. As with adults, we STILL need #vaccinesPLUS, not ignorance. OK...
so, it was a slightly longer 🧵 than intended, but this situation is so excruciatingly upsetting and frustrating. @covidinquiryuk needs to consider this, urgently, ideally in preference to the guff from U4T or HART...
In the meantime, please protect kids from flu and SARS2 💉🙏
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I heard recently that "marketing" boosters this autumn may be scaled back...
It's September in a few days and English schools are back next week...already in Scotland.
Reassuring that summer was spent wisely, preparing for a winter of COVID and flu, with extra support 4 NHS?
Guidance at present seems limited to use of additional 70s wool based garments in lieu of a sustainable energy policy...
What will happen when resurgent BA5, or the next instalment +flu/RSV, hits schools and deprived populations unable 2 pay 4 heat? Clapping won't cut it...🤬💔😢
Again, as with all things, those least able to cope will suffer most. Clinically vulnerable, socioeconomically vulnerable, all far lower on the list of priorities than squabbling over votes from an insanely polarised minority of the UK population...democracy, anyone?
The total
@rwjdingwall, this is a total strawman argument. For a start, there hasn't been mass vaccination of children because of this precise attitude. Second, JCVI recommended vaccines for under 12s. The only age group they were unsure of was the 12-15, largely
due to a limited brief that excluded long COVID or societal protections. @CMO_England supported their rollout. @IndependentSage are by no means the only group supporting vax 4 kids, what about @projecthalo, @cv_cev, @LongCovidKids and others?
Comparing public health in the 50s to
now, and COVID with polio is totally disingenuous. By your own previous logic, polio is endemic in parts of the world, and essentially harmless in a vaccinated population, "most people" will be fine. It is eliminated here.
Of course, I don't hold with that and of course we should
OK, why am I quote-tweeting myself and resurrecting PHE exercises that were conveniently lost/ignored/forgotten and so never made it to #Nervtag or #SAGE?
Well, frankly I'm pretty sick of the ridiculously polarising situation in the UK, which is largely due, imho, to Government.
Everything to do with the pandemic (& Brexit, Climate etc., but I'll "stay in my lane"😜) feels like this. I and my colleagues (but I am speaking for myself here) are often called such delightful things as "Lockdown Zealots" or some such, certain papers have the nerve to say I
have a "leftist" view of science...well, maybe I do if it means I don't like the thought of disadvantaged groups suffering, fine. I digress...
Equally, there are views from the opposite standpoint, and deliberate anti-vax aside, this is to be debated and reasoned, not just a
I despair at the messaging around #vax4kids that I'm seeing.
All medicines are licensed based upon a balance of clinical benefit vs risk. All medicines will have risk, but as a population reducing the harms from disease outweighs it.
This does not diminish the problems faced by
those that comprise the rare group that experience moderate to severe or even deadly side effects.
Issues can arise when, on a population scale, risks are over-stated, or the perceived benefits are underplayed. Of course, the opposite is also true, but there's some pretty good
and unambiguous safety and efficacy RCT data out on COVID vax, despite the 💩some Quacks are spreading.
There is also the sensible mitigation of future risk that combines with the evidence base from trials, aka precautionary principle, to consider...for example, when dealing
I remember before the pandemic doing my first TV on holidaymakers bringing Zika virus back to the UK from Brazil. My brief was to reassure folks that UK mozzies & midges weren't able to spread it through the country🙄.
The Ebola outbreak caused huge concerns over a handful of
imported cases, tragic as the situation in Guinea, Sierra Leone etc was.
Monkeypox is filling the headlines at present, absolutely fair enough, but the clinical impact remains relatively low.
Naturally, we are concerned about things that directly affect our country, our families
and friends. Yet, we rarely hear about the people that succumb to endemic (apparently another word for benign according to some 🤦♂️) viruses in the UK, things like zoster, influenza (I'll come back to this), HIV...
Do we hear about the tragic impact of dengue virus, Lassa, yellow
Case 1: Single event. Working during elections. Beer with a take away. Work proven to resume after. Police dismissed at first. Offered to resign based upon outcome of new investigation.
Case 2: Multiple organised events. Large quantities of booze. Rules
proven to be broken. Police fines issued. Photographic evidence abundant. Abuse of staff, one of whom died of COVID. Defendant asked for report to be dropped. Investigation into flat "events" blocked. Drunken staff asked to leave by back gate to avoid cameras. Emails to effect of
"getting away with it". Mentioning the events prompted one person to rightly resign. Apparently not aware of LAW breaking despite DICTATING THE LAW themselves. Events spanning many months, mostly PRIOR to VACCINATION. No such allowances for key workers or NHS...just a clap. May