Look, if there’s one thing I’ve decided about this show, none of them are too crazy to do ANYTHING because the very fact we’re discussing this is evidence of that lmao.
Simultaneously though: it’s WAY too early to make solid predictions about John & Carlos.
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All I know is John was/is in love with Murph & he thinks Carlos is hot. Saying either of those things at all—let alone with definitive certainty—would have sounded like I needed to be institutionalized 2 weeks ago. & yet here we are! & it’s only episode 4!
I agree that Robbie & co are likely aware of optics of putting John in a (new) m/m relationship & having that TAKEN later. Are there ways to do it well & have the loss be organic? Certainly. Could they hook up & be messy & not date? I mean, yeah. LEGIT who knows.
I’M not expecting anything more at all. But I do think on some level if they were overtly worried about pissing off fandom… then this show wouldn’t exist lol. I also doubt they’d see John being bi as a potential “problem”—because by & large it shouldn’t be.
Saying this anywhere that isn’t a meta thread with evidence backing it up is asking to get exiled, but John’s now already bi. That deed is done. Whether or not they do more with the m/m side of that—in flashback or in present—is up to madman Robbie Thompson.
Taking fandom blinders off… on some level IF they go more explicit with m/m for John, it’s—in an industry sense—MAYBE a “safe” realm to play in. John’s endgame is with a woman; because biphobia is a hell of a drug any overseeing powers could be thinking of that.
John having loved men & then getting with Mary is not automatically a bad bi narrative no matter what anyone says. But I could see biphobia meaning it’s the kind of thing it COULD be “easier” to “get away with” (🙄) & thus make room for a nuanced queer story.
But it’s early days & this is all hypothetical as fuck. & ultimately… this is a STORY Dean is telling. John is bi because Dean is. I do think part of the point is they want people to pay attention & clock that (& dare to hope it could bode well for the future).
We also know very little of big picture or if this is AU. We’re taking it as fact this ends in full tragedy, John/Mary, etc. but… We’ve been promised surprises. Who knows what’ll happen along the way, let along (hopefully) someday in the “end” of the beginning?
Bottom line is I don’t think anything is off the table—which I find exciting! All I want is a good story, & this is already bolder than I expected. Anything else in the way of bi John specifically is a bonus as far as I’m concerned, so I’m having a GREAT time 😌
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I am still thinking about #TheWinchesters & about 1x04 specifically, & how it's peeled back some of the layers in John's story & revealed to us that it's a QUEER story, & I'm still going bonkers.
John Winchester Is Bi Because Dean Winchester Is Bi: The Episode 🧵
Look, I've got WAY too much to say about this ep & I've already said quite a few things in bits & pieces here & there. But if I don't go into at least a BIT more detail about this it's gonna haunt me, even as everything in this thread likely won't be the whole of it.
Formal disclaimer:
If you do not like or get upset about...
• the existence of this show
• looking at John as a nuanced character
• the topic of John being queer
• the fact that Dean is canonically bisexual
Then this thread is not for you! & I am not making you read it!
Something I don’t think I’m seeing a lot of people elaborate on is Millie & John in ep4. More specifically… Millie clearly loves & has done her best by John, but part of that involved instilling lessons of toxic masculinity into him in his father’s absence.
this subtitle / part of the song combined with this image...... after the god erased the scar from Murph’s death that John had on his arm........ help me ;___; #TheWinchesters
God I’m fucked up over this
“My friend died and all I got was this lousy scar”
And then EVEN THE SCAR IS TAKEN FROM HIM, as a god tries to make him a clean slate and tells him to hold onto his anger instead of talking
I get having bitterness & baggage but for the love of God not everything is world-ending levels of serious
particularly because in this case we even know John marries Mary!!!! if he wants to check out Carlos let him, if people including cast want to ship them let them, it’s FUN
RIGHT? What a mess!
Conservative propaganda
the idea that every bit of queer content has to be some epic love story that satisfies everyone’s checklists of “perfect” is BORING
or that anything a cast member says is a contract in blood stating “these characters will fuck”
Compelled by how heavy last week's ep was on Destiel parallels, & how heavy THIS week's ep was on bisexuality / being manipulated into a cycle of violence by a god.
I think what happened to Jack at the end of the SPN (Dean unwittingly sacrificed his son as part of "Abraham & Isaac" & Chuck won via theater) is not always top of mind for people–in comparison to, for example, Destiel or Dean's relationship to HIS parents.
There's looking here at how John & Mary feel about their parents & thinking about how Dean feels about HIS parents, yea? But a subtle undercurrent is thinking of John & Mary as parents. That forward direction is also a forward direction for Dean, as HE'S a parent. #TheWinchesters
#TheWinchesters ep 2 has compelled me to repeat myself for the MILLIONTH time regarding how Supernatural is a franchise about parents & children + cycles of trauma/violence, both in the small scale & the large scale.
I don't know why I'm writing this! I am saying the same shit I have been saying on here for at least the past year & put in my meta! But I just heard Dean Winchester say to us that you have to break free & be WHO YOU ARE (12x22, anybody?) & I'm gonna eat my foot