François Valentin Profile picture
Nov 17, 2022 • 27 tweets • 11 min read • Read on X
Italians often joke that the North and the South of the boot are different countries.

But you would've been able to spot this North/South divide centuries ago!

A đź§µ on Italy that goes from Ancient Greece to Beppe Grillo (with some food sprinkled along the way) Image
Starting with some history:

The south ("Magna Graecia") was settled by greeks from 8th to 5th century BC who founded cities like Neapolis (Naples).

They connected the south to their Mediterraenean network and probably surpassed the motherland in population Image
To this day the genetic admixture of Southern Italians is very similar to modern Greeks.

In contrast Northern Italians are much closer to Spain or Southern France as they share more of the Indo-European admixture. ImageImage
Let's get a little less abstract: Northern Italians are more likely to have fair hair and eyes. Percentage of Italians with...Image
The Roman Empire united Italy politically, but after its collapse Italy would wait for unification for centuries.

The North would come under under the influence of Charlemagne's empire (the future Holy Roman empire) when it defeated the Germanic Lombards in 774. Image
The South saw a massive power struggle. The byzantine held major influence in the South, even well after it peaked in the 6th century under Justinian. Image
Arab Kingdoms also shaped those areas, especially Siciliy, with the Aghlabids Dynasty in the 9th century having a strong foothold. Even when they did not hold direct political power in those areas, Arabs impacted the aread influential through trade and razzias. Image
The Normans in the end ended up as the victors in the South. The Norman kingdom eventually became (after a very complicated history) the Kingdom of the two Sicilies. Image
In practice, the Holy Roman Empir's hold on the north was limited, and the North splintered into rival city-states.

The South however remained more politically united but was claimed by both Spain and France. In the end, Spain won the tug of war for the new Kingdom of Naples. Image
Fast forward to the treaty of Vienna in 1815 and there's a new North-South political divide.

Large chunks of the North now in Austrian hands, but even the duchies of Parma and Modena were indirectly under Austrian control. The Kingdom of the 2 Sicilies still holds the South. Image
Conditions were tough in 19th century Italy, so many Italians emigrated.

Before 1900 most emigrants came from the north, but after 1900 half came from the less populous south.

(for example in 1900 Lombardy had a population of 4 million vs 2.5 for Calabria) Image
The north rapidly became the industrial powerhouse of Italy, with the "industrial triangle" of Milan, Turin and Genoa.

Even to this day, the south's rail network is visibly and notoriously underdeveloped relative to the north. Image
Italy re-united as a Monarchy in 1861

But there's a new North/South divide in 1943 when the Allies land in Sicily: The Grand Council of Fascism arrest Mussolini while Germany carves out a puppet state in the north: the Social Republic of Italy nominally ran by a freed Mussolini. Image
In 1946, Italians were asked if they wanted to keep the monarchy (which had not been sidelined but not eliminated by the fascists).

The rural conservative south clearly backed the monarchy but the industrial urban north (also the ex-Social Republic) tipped it for the Republic. Image
A bit of an aside before we talk about modern Italian politics, but this divide on the monarchy makes me think a very interesting theory on the impact of geology and climate on conservative politics which you can read more on below:

After the war, the north-south divide continued, with the south inhospitable electoral land for the Communist Party (PCI) and the Socialist Party (PSI). Here are the results from the 1946, 1968, 1976 and 1987 general elections. ImageImageImageImage
While the South was not swayed by the left in the 20th century, it became a fertile ground for populist parties in the 21st.

The 5 star movement is a very unique populist party (neither "right" nor "left"). Since 2018 it is very strong in the south.

2018/2022 general elections ImageImage
But the biggest electoral phenomenon in the south isn't 5 Star's success, but rather the staggeringly low voter turnout. Image
A few modern non-political examples of this divide starting with the more serious ones:

The North has more immigrants, more GDP per capita, fewer gambling problems for teens and less unemployment ImageImageImageImage
Map of the most valuable Italian brands also tells you a lot about the north-south divide. Image
Moving on to some less serious divides (courtesy of @TheLocalItaly)

-People who say they drink alcohol other than at mealtimes
-Mc Donalds ImageImage
This however is a dead serious matter: Image
Not North-South but frankly hilarious: Image
Thanks for reading this far!

If you want more map and history threads like these I've compiled a few here:
Italy is a complex country, there are further regional variations if you dig deeper, and Italians obviously also have a lot in common!

If you have more maps feel free to share them and I'll add them to the thread.
And if you're interested in Italian politics, you can tune in to this episode of the @UnDecencyPod on the Italian elections

Thread continues here on Italian sports:

Thanks to @angelo_forgione for flagging the North-South difference in football!

• • •

Missing some Tweet in this thread? You can try to force a refresh
 

Keep Current with François Valentin

François Valentin Profile picture

Stay in touch and get notified when new unrolls are available from this author!

Read all threads

This Thread may be Removed Anytime!

PDF

Twitter may remove this content at anytime! Save it as PDF for later use!

Try unrolling a thread yourself!

how to unroll video
  1. Follow @ThreadReaderApp to mention us!

  2. From a Twitter thread mention us with a keyword "unroll"
@threadreaderapp unroll

Practice here first or read more on our help page!

More from @Valen10Francois

Sep 8
French PM François Bayrou has been ousted by parliament. Macron's 3rd PM to lose his job in 18 months

The stakes are huge:

Will Macron dissolve parliament? Will the left take over? What about the IMF?

A đź§µon what happened and what happens next Image
What happened?

Ever since Macron's snap election last july, his coalition has shrunk into a small minority government

Last December his previous PM Michel Barnier was deposed by parliament after 3 months.

Bayrou took over facing similarly impossible parliamentary arithmetics Image
On top of that his government had to deal with possibly the most toxic fiscal situation in a decade

France's deficit is well above the 3% EU target

Bayrou was aiming for 43 bn in savings!

A recipe for disaster with roughly 3 equal parliamentary blocks unwilling to compromise Image
Read 24 tweets
Sep 7
Portugal being the first modern European colonial empire despite having a population of 1 million is seriously impressive. Image
And then at a similarly impressive pace becoming a secondary political player for the five centuries that followed.
Fun fact on the Portuguese empire: after decades of negotiations to try to get Goa peacefully, India just sent in the army in 1961

Portuguese dictator Salazar ordered for the completely outgunned defenders to fight to the last man

The prudent governor surrendered 36 hours after Image
Read 5 tweets
Aug 6
In 1582 Jesuit missionaries entered China

They could have been killed!

And yet in a few years they became the Emperor’s top advisors, brokering diplomatic deals and moving their pawns

This is a đź§µon how the Jesuits infiltrated China...

And how it all came crashing down! Image
The Society of Jesus was founded in Paris in 1534 by students.

It rapidly grew and recognised by the Pope in 1540

They were big on missionary work and wanted to convert the world before the protestants

Here's a map of their colleges founded in the 220 years that followed Image
In that global vision China was key. Since Marco Polo it was the land of fantasies.

One of the order's cofounder Francis Xavier died on the shores of China without being able to enter. Image
Read 26 tweets
Jul 4
China's biggest threat isn't Trump... but its explosive local debt

After decades of relying on land sales and the real estate market the music has stopped with huge consequences.

A đź§µ on China's biggest and underreported economic challenge Image
It might come as a surprise but China is in some ways very decentralised!

85-90% of all public spending is done at subnational level.

Even the US with its Federal model is at 50% Image
The debate about centralisation in communist regimes is an old one.

Leninists wanted a strong centralised state to push industrialisation, but there's a long anti-bureaucratic tradition in Marxism

Mao made fun of the USSR's bureaucracy but himself oscillated on centralisation Image
Read 14 tweets
Apr 20
Americans have a unique superpower:

They naturally know how to dig entrenched political cleavages overnight to stick to their political tribe.

Even on issues where they previously didn't disagree much!

Some samples of America's hyper-tribalism Image
This might come as a surprise but free trade has been unpopular on both parties for a while.

Until Trump's tariffs and now all of the sudden the Left are rediscovering the virtues of free trade

Basically overnight Image
I gave the example of Canada. All of the sudden many conservative have decided that Canada was an enemy.

But it's also true of Ukraine.

All of the sudden Republicans have decided that Ukraine was an unfriendly nation because Putin said so/Biden was helping Ukraine Image
Read 7 tweets
Apr 5
Who are China's political elites?

What is the equivalent of their Ivy Leagues or the Oxbridge?

A thread on the (mostly) old men who run the People's Republic of China Image
Here's how I define the Chinese political elites:

It's the 812 people who serve in China's top political bodies from Xi Jinping at the top all the way to provincial standing committee.

Most of them are provincial officials (61%) Image
Image
They are overwhelmingly male.

The higher you go, the fewer women you get:

There is 1/25 in the Politburo, 0/7 in the Politburo's Standing Committee Image
Read 10 tweets

Did Thread Reader help you today?

Support us! We are indie developers!


This site is made by just two indie developers on a laptop doing marketing, support and development! Read more about the story.

Become a Premium Member ($3/month or $30/year) and get exclusive features!

Become Premium

Don't want to be a Premium member but still want to support us?

Make a small donation by buying us coffee ($5) or help with server cost ($10)

Donate via Paypal

Or Donate anonymously using crypto!

Ethereum

0xfe58350B80634f60Fa6Dc149a72b4DFbc17D341E copy

Bitcoin

3ATGMxNzCUFzxpMCHL5sWSt4DVtS8UqXpi copy

Thank you for your support!

Follow Us!

:(