Thread by @secretsqrl123

ok long thread..
Ukraine talking points with friends / family / or idiots…
1 be nice
2 have the facts
3 let them talk, sometimes when they say stupid things others around will correct them…..
4 you have the high ground as long as you don’t lose your temper.

5 and here are some talking points
6 remember the VAST majority of the right and the left want to support ukr.. its just the bomb throwers on both far ends (both far right and far left) that want trouble and end the support.

Ukr is corrupt. YES it was one of the most corrupt countries out there for ever.. when it was run by the soviets, and later overshadowed by the Russians (many rus people held power in ukr past 94). BUT like all eastern euro countries they have worked hard to fix it.

Bringing it to the open and moving forward. They even made a movie about it “servant of the people”… starring the current president in real life.

NATO weapons on the dark web for sale.
No one has spotted a increase in arms sales in Europe. Its not happening. Weapons are out there but they have always been able to be purchased (Russian, Serbian, yugo, etc).

now there has been a increase in weapons that Russians are taking home. This summer a LAW blew up from the heat in a car in st Petersburg. Yes Russia has been seeing more weapons being taken home by its own soldiers.

40 BILLION to Ukraine.
The 40 billion is MOSTLY in surplus gear mraps, hmmwvs, ammo, and soviet helos that we have no use for and were being cut up all being replaced and just taking up room in storage areas around the world.

It was costing us billions to store and demil much of this gear. The himars are selling like hot cakes to the rest of the world due to its use in ukr. This means US jobs will be guaranteed for decades resulting in taxes to the US to offset the cost of ukr.

But nuclear war…
You mean like in the 50s-94? Really this is nothing new, we had nuclear war threats every month for 40 years. My generation had to practice duck and cover at school.. this has always been a go to thing for the USSR forever. get over it.

Bio labs.. you mean the high school and collage labs that the WHO, the EU, CTSO, and EVERYONE KNEW ABOUT. Rus were still working there at the start of the war. Rus made them in the 70s-90s. they know they are bio lvl 1 and do the most basic of research. Just a Rus talking point

Bio engineered mosquitoes, birds, and penguins.. really? How do you control them when released? You cant that’s why the US and every one else dropped any research on them in the 80s. fake rus talking point

Ukr nazies. Umm the president is a jew… to be clear Russia has a larger nazi population now than ukr. In rus over the last decade the ru nazi groups have spread and the ru police have reported rape, murders, and more.

On the other hand ukr has moved to stomp out most of what was a nazi movement. In 2014 most of the far right nazi groups fought on the RUS side, not the ukr side. That’s why many of the DPR units have nazi patches. google it

But azov is nazi. When azov battalion was formed in 2014 it was a emergency unit that fought and stopped the ru army. In 2015 when things stabilized it was disbanded. The new “azov” battalion was formed and from reports none of the original members were let in.

this unit was part of the ukr national guard and vetted and trained by the US national guard. US congressional investigators could not find any nazi troops on multiple visits.

But the nazi azov patch / flag… ukr has a deep Viking history (it was run by Vikings for years).. yes they still use Viking letters and ruins… and so do others.

But many parts of the ukr are really Russian… no, if you just google history the UKR culture and land is older than the Russians. It’s the other way around. Many places in Russia are really historically part of Ukraine. Google it

But nato is fighting Russia… no nato has cleared out its scrap yards and storage areas for ukr. No modern aircraft or tanks have been donated. Russia is losing the war to natos army surplus stores.

But the Russian army is so huge!!! The USSR has a large army.. and the biggest and best were from… Ukraine. Years ago the Russians cut the size of its army to 250K…

this means that at the start of the war ukr had a larger overall force than ru. About 600k (army, NG, RES, VOL, POL, etc). now about 1.2 million

But 14000 tanks. Really? 4000 of them in use or in ready reserve, about 4000 in storage, the rest left to rot outside with hatches open for 30 years. As of right now about 4000 tanks have been lost to combat and other issues…

nearly 50% of the fleet. The best are mostly gone leaving Russia with 50 year old T62s.

Wait till Russia brings in its good troops.. they did and they are now mostly dead… they will have lost over 100k by new years.. yes 100K dead with about 200K wounded, sick, refusing to fight, or missing…

sooo no. every unit of the Russian army is in combat, wrecked from combat, or stripped of people and gear to send to combat. Only emergency reserve national guard are held back for issues in Moscow or st pet.

But russias huge air force. Not huge and mostly wrecked. Most of its ground attack aircraft are over 40 years old and can barely be kept in the air. The new aircraft are getting shot down or crashing (on there own) due to corruption, misuse, or missing parts …

that are made in the west

But the T14 and the TAK50… jokes, not ready for real production, only a handful made, and out of date. From reports there is only a real T14 tank platoon, and for every TAK50 fighter there are nearly 100 better F-35s. and both programs have been halted for lack of western parts

But the Russian ruble is still high. Yes. In Russia.. for Russian made things. Try to use it to buy anything from the west or china… no one will take it. And its only being propped up due to the Russian central bank actions of spending on it…

the gold and oil money is running out. Its headed one way, down. As soon as the national reserves run out the economy will crash. on dec 5th russia will not be able to sell oil to most places around the world... at all

But Russian oil. On dec 5th the Russian oil exports are expected to crash. No one can ship oil from any port in the world, and ru oil will sell for a fixed lower price. And no more oil to Europe or most of the rest of the world.

Ukr outlawed Russian.. not true, even the first language of the current leader of ukr speaks .. Russian. The most watched show of the ukr for a while was in Russian. The law was about the official legal language was to be ukr, not outlawing anything.

The Russian army is advancing.. if advancing you mean pulling back, yes. The ru army has advanced back from Kiev, Kharkiv, Kherson, somney, and many other parts of ukr where there army was. The ukr army has removed the Russians from about 60% of the area they once had.

But the black sea fleet…. Any other time the “black sea fleet” or whats left of it would be considered a flotilla not a fleet. The last two flag ships have been sunk or damaged, and it can not go to the central area of the black sea for fear of being sunk…

by the ukr navy.. yes the navy without a major surface or sub presence.. in other words the 2nd navy of the world is getting its ass kicked by a navy without ships.

VDV and Russian special forces will settle things. Yea no. the VDV and the Russian spetz are done for the most part. Right now the VDV divisions are taking prisoners from jail and just giving them paratrooper uniforms and calling them paratroopers.

Spetz are taking surviving paratroopers and giving them a 2 week class on combat and calling them special forces.. soooo no

Hunter biden, give it a rest
The gov. in ukr that was behind that is long gone. Many senior people from that gov are in hiding, in Russia, or have done jail time. They have been cleaning things up… that gas company is no longer even in ukr. It was kicked out for . corruption

We don’t have anything to do with ukr.. WRONG
In 1996 the 3rd largest nuclear force in the world was … Ukraine.
In 96 we (the USA) ask for the ukr to disarm the nukes and give them to the US in exchange for protecting its borders.

They did this, they trusted us and wanted to be like us… we made a promise and we have to keep it.

The US southern border and the ukr border… both can be protected at the same time… they are not and should never be linked. The US southern border needs a wall. Russia will lose 100K in combat this year… we will lose 120k from drugs coming from china via Mexico this year…

both are wars that need to be fought. Again not linked

i hope this helps some people change minds... its a hope.

nato expansion... russia already had poland, and the baltics (all nato) on the border with russia, turkey is on the border too (black sea). ukr never officially ask to be part of nato, they never wanted that. wat they wanted was to be part of the EU.

they have always counted themselves part of europe not the east. most of the ukr population was looking west for there future, now nearly all do. and by russia attacking ukr they have driven up to 5 more countries into the arms of nato in the end.