derek guy Profile picture
Nov 28, 2022 27 tweets 8 min read Read on X
HOW TO BUY A GOOD CASHMERE SWEATER 🧵

I want to address this comment left by someone in response to my Brick Watch Company tweet. It also gets into something I've been wanting to talk about: how to buy a good cashmere sweater. Image
If you shop for a cashmere sweater today, prices can range anywhere from $50 to $5,000. This can make you think that the whole cashmere market is a scam (and luxury clothing is a scam). Why pay a lot for cashmere if it can be had cheaper elsewhere? ImageImage
First, let's talk about why cashmere is so expensive. Unlike wool, which comes from sheep, cashmere is taken from cashmere goats, often living in colder regions of Mongolia, China, and parts of Afghanistan.

These goats are very cute. Look: Image
Whereas a sheep can produce 3kg of wool per year, a cashmere goat may only produce 200g. This is enough for maybe a scarf, but for a good cashmere sweater, you may need the yield of five to ten goats. Image
Furthermore, whereas sheep are sheared, cashmere goats are brushed to remove the soft, downy undercoat that constitutes cashmere. This brushing happens once a year in the springtime.

So, cashmere is expensive partly because it requires more animals and labor to produce. Image
In the last 30 years, the proliferation of cheap cashmere knits has made it difficult for consumers to distinguish what makes a quality knit. Uniqlo sells cashmere knits for $99; Everlane for $40. The affordability of cashmere has made demand go up. Image
This has been made possible partly because of Mongolia's economic liberalization and land reform programs. The country nearly doubled its cashmere output from 1991 to 1994, going from 1,400 to 2,500 tons.
During this period, the number of goats in Mongolia skyrocketed. In 1991, it’s estimated that there were 5.2 million goats in Mongolia; in 2004, it was 25.8 million. Image
This has had a devastating environmental impact. Goats have to eat grass to grow hair, and overgrazing has transformed once-lush grasslands into arid moonscapes, unleashing some of the worst dust storms in East Asian history, as well as spoiling the region’s water, soil, and air. Image
For my fellow animal lovers, it has also had a devastating impact on animal welfare. An excerpt from a 2006 article in the Chicago Tribune

chicagotribune.com/chi-china-cash… Image
Poor animal husbandry, overgrazing, and starving goats—all a result of overproduction—have also led to a worsening of cashmere quality. Remember that sweaters are made from yarns, and yarns are made from fibers. These fibers have become coarser. A 2003 World Bank study stated: Image
All of this has been a result of trying to feed a market that wants a luxury product for less, and consumers being unable to tell the difference between a $50 cashmere knit vs. a $5,000 knit. Why pay more when it's all a scam, right? As the person in my original tweet suggested Image
So what goes into a quality cashmere knit?

First, there's the quality of the yarns. Remember earlier, when I mentioned that some yarns have become coarser due to overgrazing? Cashmere yarns come in diff grades. Quality spinners, such as Todd & Duncan, use top-quality fibers Image
Quality yarns are made by twisting longer fibers together. When you use longer fibers, there are fewer points for potential breakages. When you use shorter fibers, there are more points for potential breakages. This break happens through wear, which results in pilling, like this: Image
Second, there's the amount of material used. Cheaper producers knit cashmere sweaters with a lot of slack. This saves on the material (remember, cashmere fibers are expensive). But as a result, over time, your sweater will stretch out of shape.
Third, there's the finishing. Once a sweater is knitted, a manufacturer will put it through a process called milling, which is essentially washing. Washing removes any impurities in the yarn, and gives the sweater some extra softness. Image
Here is where we get to the difference between Scottish vs. Italian cashmere knits.

Scottish producers tend to not mill their knits very much (they call it bare finish). Italian producers, on the other hand, mill their knits more.
The upside to heavier milling is that you get that cloud softness, which impresses consumers in-store. But you also potentially weaken the yarn, which can result in more pilling down the road.
I favor Scottish cashmere knits because I find them to be more durable. Their softness is beaten into them over time with regular wash and wear. It's like the difference between raw and rinsed denim.

If you take care of this stuff, they're true heirloom pieces. Image
If you're buying a quality cashmere knit, you should expect the full retail price to be at least $400. That's because of the amount of animal hair and labor used, the quality of the yarn, and the quality of the finishing.
When you're shopping, don't be fooled into thinking that a $100 Uniqlo cashmere knit is the same as a more expensive Scottish or Italian cashmere knit. Even if they feel the same in-store, the quality differences will reveal themselves over tie as the sweater stretches and pills
Additionally, cheap cashmere just worsens the current environmental problems.

If you care to know, my favorite cashmere knits are from William Lockie, particularly the four-plys. (I find that sweaters made from one-ply, while easier to layer, stretch out more easily).

/end
Some people have asked what they should do if they can't afford $400 cashmere sweaters. Two suggestions

1. Buy sweaters made from naturally cheaper yarns. Cheap cashmere is a false luxury; the sweaters don't age well, and they're bad for the environment.
But some yarns, such as Shetland, are naturally hardy and cheap. They're rougher than cashmere, but add visual interest to outfits because they're textured. Wear them over a collared shirt. I list some Shetland options here:

dieworkwear.com/2022/11/24/exc…
2. You can also shop secondhand. Remember how I said that Scottish cashmere knits are heirloom quality? This means that you can find vintage ones for fairly cheap. On eBay, vintage cashmere knits from reputable brands can be had for as little as $40.
On eBay, search for brands such as Barrie, John Liang, Ballantyne, Peter Scott, Alan Paine, Hawico, Pringle, William Lockie, Johnstons of Elgin, Malo, Fedeli, Della Ciana, Cruciani, and Gran Sasso

Also, note all knitwear pills—be realistic—but quality ones pill less.
One last thing, some of these names used to be Scottish mills that have since closed. Their company now just operates as a fashion brand. Pringle used to be a mill and now sources its knits from a variety of places. When shopping on eBay, see if the knit was made in Scotland

• • •

Missing some Tweet in this thread? You can try to force a refresh
 

Keep Current with derek guy

derek guy Profile picture

Stay in touch and get notified when new unrolls are available from this author!

Read all threads

This Thread may be Removed Anytime!

PDF

Twitter may remove this content at anytime! Save it as PDF for later use!

Try unrolling a thread yourself!

how to unroll video
  1. Follow @ThreadReaderApp to mention us!

  2. From a Twitter thread mention us with a keyword "unroll"
@threadreaderapp unroll

Practice here first or read more on our help page!

More from @dieworkwear

Dec 1
this is one of the worst trends to emerge in men's tailoring in recent years. any clothier who offers you this option doesn't have your best inerest in mind. they simply want to give you a bunch of customization options you can tick to feel special, so they can make a sale. Image
Image
Some people asked me to elaborate. So here is my attempt.

What is the point of a contrast buttonhole? Whimsy? Personalization? A way to show off workmanship? I encourage you to pinpoint your motivations before getting one.
If your answer is whimsy or fun, I encourage you think more about the total outfit. There are lots of ways to have fun with tailoring. You can get suits in cotton, linen, Thornproof, corduroy, or wool-mohair blends (nice at night). The outfits below are fun. Image
Image
Image
Image
Read 14 tweets
Nov 30
I'm happy to explain why that sweater is $500. 🧵
I should note that I know not everyone can afford a $500 sweater. That's why my Black Friday post includes things such as this $80 J. Crew sweater. In the past, I've also written guides on how to to get top-of-the-line vintage Scottish cashmere knits on eBay for ~$50. Image
Image
But since I appreciate craft and wish to see craftspeople be able to earn a living, I'm also happy to promote things that I think help keep these traditions alive.

So, why is this Chamula sweater $500? It's because of how it was made. Image
Read 14 tweets
Nov 29
I'll explain what these are and why they're great. 🧵
Sometime during the early 20th century, American outdoorsman Leon Leonwood Bean faced a problem: how do you keep your feet dry while hunting in wilderness of western Maine? Waders are fine in the water but you don't always want to be wearing those on dry land. Image
So he came up with a hybrid: a hunting boot that had the flexibility of a traditional leather upper but with the water-resistance of rubber footwear. First made in his basement, the two parts were combined with triple-line stitching to ensure they'd never separate. Image
Read 16 tweets
Nov 28
IMO, once you think of dress as social language, it's very easy to understand everything else, such as how to put together outfits and how trends emerge. 🧵
In his 1904 essay "On Fashion," German sociologist Georg Simmel observed a very basic principle of fashion: people tend to copy their "social betters." Once they've successfully done so, the original group moves on. Image
At the time when he wrote this, "social betters" meant those of "high birth," so monarchs, aristocrats, moneyed elites, and such. The most influential style figure of this era was the Duke of Windsor, who popularized belts, zippered flies, cuffed trousers, and the "drape cut." Image
Read 19 tweets
Nov 27
IMO, this is not exciting. This is bad and I'll tell you why. 🧵
The market nowadays is flooded with customization options. This is not because it gives the user a better product; it's because it helps the seller distinguish their business from the pack and make more money. Making money and helping people are sometimes not connected.
Such customization programs are often online where a customer can choose whatever fabrics, colors, or details they want. Click, click, click. Add to cart and hit checkout. The item arrives to you a few weeks later. Image
Read 19 tweets
Nov 27
In this thread, I will focus on one specific aesthetic to make this thought experiment a little easier. But at the end, you can expand it to any number of styles.

What would it take to dress like this if you were in a major US city, such as Atlanta or San Francisco? Image
Image
Well first, you would have to know how to create the look. This look doesn't exist naturally in social circles anymore, so you would have to know where to go online to get the information. IMO, this is not so easy nowadays bc of how much info is online.
Read 24 tweets

Did Thread Reader help you today?

Support us! We are indie developers!


This site is made by just two indie developers on a laptop doing marketing, support and development! Read more about the story.

Become a Premium Member ($3/month or $30/year) and get exclusive features!

Become Premium

Don't want to be a Premium member but still want to support us?

Make a small donation by buying us coffee ($5) or help with server cost ($10)

Donate via Paypal

Or Donate anonymously using crypto!

Ethereum

0xfe58350B80634f60Fa6Dc149a72b4DFbc17D341E copy

Bitcoin

3ATGMxNzCUFzxpMCHL5sWSt4DVtS8UqXpi copy

Thank you for your support!

Follow Us!

:(