- Why would the sale of Su-35 to Iran be significant?
- What would be its impact on Israels F-35 and co ?
- Would a small number of Su-35 make any difference?
Some answers to these questions in this thread ⏬
First things first:
Iran is a very large country.
Its critical objects for a strike are deep inside the country
Iran created a potent, mobile, integrated air defense system in the last 20 years
Terrain-masking into Iran's vast mountains, means fuel consuming low-altitude flight
Iran has the F-14 Tomcat in a similar size class as the Su-35
But the Su-35 is vastly superior in terms of:
- Range
- Sustained speed
- Altitude
- Radar power
- Payload
This allows to hunt down the almost always kinematically inferior opponents from high altitudes and speeds
But what is it worth, if it cant see the F-35?
Yes Su-35's main sensor works in X-band and F-35 is designed to have the lowest RCS in this band
Here Irans IADS makes the difference:
Its VHF- to S-band sensors have no problems to detect a VLO/LO target like F-35
So detection is not the problem for Iran's IADS, but targeting is
VHF-band radars such as Ghadir can detect F-35 from ~700km stand-off distance
Matla-ol-Fajr-2/3, mobile, low-cost radars still from 200-300km
But Irbis-E radar, as powerful as it is, has much greater problems ⏬
This is primarily due to the shape of the F-35 amounting to -15 dB in front of a higher flying Su-35
AND
the RAS/RAM used, further reducing it by -15 to -20 dB
Irbis-E performance against a -30 dB target goes down to ~50km
The picture looks different if engagement is done by IRST or external data-linked IADS data
Combined with active-radar-homing long-range AAM, stand-off engagement of VLO targets becomes possible
Electronic-sector-scan VHF-radars enable this
F-35 striking Irans nuclear sites would be detected early on if flying high or very short on fuel if flying low, terrain-masking
F-pole (high and fast) attack geometry and large, heavy AAM's would then allow the Su-35 to attack first while staying out of reach
Kinematic superiority also allows chasing scenarios far away from Iran's borders, benefiting from heavy long-range AAM's
It also allows extended use of afterburner to energy-kill medium AAMs launched by escorting fighters
➡️ Minimizing envelopes ➡️ hit-and-run similar to Mig-31
In total:
F-35 surprise deep strikes become more like one-way missions with Su-35, ready to chase down
+ Allowing interceptions at larger distances from Iran's border ➡️ leading to mission-kill
A massive costly air campaign is necessary to penetrate to Iran's critical sites
Of course these are worst case, head-on scenarios for the Su-35, where F-35's X-band stealth excels
In tactical environment its nickname Flanker fulfills its meaning
Kinematic superiority allows to outflank targets and Irbis radar to get favorable side angles with higher RCS
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First this Su-35 vs. F-35 tweet is within the context of an IADS supporting the Flanker
So lets take a look at one of Iran's most potent ground based radar system here
(not yet in widespread use):
➡️ L-ASR4 or "Iran-Nebo"
This is a mobile VHF-band AESA radar with near shoot-and-scoot mobility
It analyses each received EM pulse.
If interference (ECM) is detected, which is easy because it is a pulse-per-pulse frequency hopper, it does following:
It phases the array in a way that a "hole" is created
Definition of a next generation short range air defense system fitting 🇮🇷 Zoobin
- AESA radar for long-time (24/7) operation
- Rotating parts, only the radar, not the SAMs
- Vertical launch SAM
How to achieve it at low cost? Tweets below ⏬
- Command-guided SAM with 2 sets of control surfaces
➡️ Allowing directional alignment after vertical launch without using more expensive 360° capable thruster or jet vanes
The yet unknown missile below could fit the bill, but appears too slim for a single, big Zoobin container
- Single (➡️ cost) multi-function X-band AESA (search + engagement)
➡️ Battery of 4 systems can cover 360° without rotating, via electronic scanning
X-band angular precision would also enable low cost command-guidance and multiple engagements simultaneously
🇺🇸 B-21 was unveiled
What does it mean in the Iranian context?
The bomber fleets long-range compensates to some degree the vulnerability of U.S airbases near Iran, to mass ballistic missile attacks
A thread with some myth-busting and hard data
The U.S bomber fleet of today is limited by its weapons and radar visibility
- B-52 is a bomb truck that can't come close to Iran's IADS and its subsonic cruise missiles can be intercepted.
But still useful against lower priority objects without SHORAD protection and saturation
The B-1 is principally in the same situation, just that its lower RCS and "flee-speed", allows it to come close to the IADS and release shorter range but deadlier low-RCS JASSM cruise-missiles
But even those has relative low chances of penetrating to a high priority object
⏬ Lets set some 10 requirements for non-nuclear warhead ICBM to make sense
A thread (1/6)
1. Low cost operation/basing
➡️ Size and weight not exceeding 13,6m of Euro Semi-trailer
2. Survivability
➡️ Looking like a Euro Semi-trailer
3. Sufficiently accurate for pin-point strike
➡️ Mach-20 rated MaRV with >300kg explosive warhead, omitting a Bus/PBV
4. Low cost design
➡️ Preferably 2-stages instead of 3. Possible via 1st stage structural ratios below 8% which in turn enabled by high l/d ratio graphite motors
5. Higher energy propellant and efficient lightweight TVC/Nozzle
➡️ S.L Isp >=255s, gimballed electromechanical flexseal or hot-gas injection TVC
+ carbon-carbon nozzle
6. Lower grade lightweight INS
➡️ A GNSS or Astro-nav update before terminal phase (500km distance to target)