It gets more bonkers! This is from Madrigal's press release.

We're sure he'll be delighted learn that TW are not killed, tortured, beaten, or excluded from health, employment, housing, & education.

It's almost like having robust equality law makes the real difference. Image
It isn't clear why Victor feels a piece of paper would stop these abuses though. Does the paper magically convince everyone these are real women?

If so, he should consider that in much of the world women are also killed & excluded, so it wouldn't make much difference!
Fortunately, in Scotland we have protections - although women are still much more unsafe that TW (no murders ever in Scotland).

Perhaps Victor should concentrate on those countries which do not protect human rights - unless of course there is another agenda at play?
He goes on.

He's jolly worried about "arbitrary restrictions" on gender recognition. What, like developmental biology & knowing people can't change sex? Like evidence about male pattern violence and how it is divorced from identity but not sex? Arbitrary like single sex spaces? Image
Incidentally, we don't believe that recognising the reality of sex, sexism and sex-based oppression violates state obligations.

One has to ask at this point if Victor is aware of how women live in much of the world. FGM, menstrual huts, not being allowed to drive? Anyone?
We suppose it's "unfounded myths" which made women in a shelter in Leeds want a "deeply discriminatory restriction" on Dolatowski's human rights. Not the fact that this 6'5" male abused little girls in the women's toilets.
I'm just being a bigot, right Victor - it never happened! Image
See where this is going? Victor thinks that women should not have the right to single sex shelters or counselling.

Victor would see Beira's Place shut down.

This is the man @ScotGovFM, our #FirstFeminist pays heed to.
This last bit is interesting. He reiterates his problem with women being worried about abusive men (silly ladies), but misquotes himself. It's no longer an "erroneous perception" they are male, just "predatory males".

Maybe even he realised the official version was a bit mad! ImageImage
In other words it's a #NotAllMen argument.

Oh and Victor, we are all too bloody aware they "exist". The only person denying people "exist" is you. Women as a sex class and predatory males who've exploited self ID, for a start.
Next Tues/Weds some of our MSPs will trot out Victor's lines and repeat his arguments.

If you read this & find it compelling you should not be operating heavy machinery & definitely not running a country.

Scotland is in so much trouble.
#No2SelfID #NotYourShield #Lawmenable

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Dec 19
WOW

How time, and job, changes an individuals positon!

This is not our recollection of our conversations with @kezdugdale @thetimes

Shame on you Kezia, what a coward...

thetimes.co.uk/article/kezia-…
FWS had meetings with her and she asked FMQ on our behalf .

We, stupidly , were trying to protect her by not stating this before.

Game over.
A "rotten irony" indeed.
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Another day, another confected attempt by the @scottishgreens to malign us.

@MaggieChapman needs to be careful in her hyperbolic lies - we have never appeared at a "festival of hate". As we repeatedly told the journalist, all the film will be online soon
archive.ph/PIMaB
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The "row" & "backlash" we were told came from the Rainbow Greens & @humanistsociety

The Rainbow Greens are a less than credible group, but we did ask for the SPECIFIC concerns about what Marion said from the Humanists & where we could see their official statement about us,
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We did not co-organise this event. Image
We were invited by @acadofideas, a respected organisation who frequently host conversations between people of widely different political opinions in the belief that discussion and robust examination of ideas is the best way forward. We agree with this.
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There were several different panels & topics of conversation.
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This is shocking & chilling. Tomorrow, MSPs will vote on GRR, @NicolaSturgeon will tell us this has nothing to do with the vote. That will be a lie. @NHSScotland has betrayed vulnerable children on the watch of this Gov in the name of a cultural shift. 🧵telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/10/2…
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OTOH, Scottish Council on Human Bioethics & an extensive report from a senior paediatrician. OTO, gov funded, ideologically-driven, non-medical lobby groups. Guess which one @scotgov @ScotGovFM listens to?! They've prob had enough of experts.
#No2SelfID
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thetimes.co.uk/article/jk-row…
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Scottish women are so fortunate to have you! #WomenWontWheesht #WomensRally #RespectMySex #SaveOurSpaces
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