@Beffernusse @maqart55 @Asheswillfall1 @grlinblu @thatsnotokay22 @melJsaysso @freetaught1 @ornithopter16 @FreckledLiberty @notmuchelse @HansonmanZ @prochoicebishhh @6igantuar @VeryBannable @ParadigmArray @MarcusDAurelius @lostandfoundtr1 @stoltussolus @maxfeynman @rev_felix @autocorrect2_0 @CatholicABear @AbortionChat I said nothing about majority, plurality, or any other amount.

There was a time when no one was awarded child support. The historical basis of child support is in the idea that middle class and rich women were incapable of working enough to support themselves. #GenderedLaborGap.
@Beffernusse @maqart55 @Asheswillfall1 @grlinblu @thatsnotokay22 @melJsaysso @freetaught1 @ornithopter16 @FreckledLiberty @notmuchelse @HansonmanZ @prochoicebishhh @6igantuar @VeryBannable @ParadigmArray @MarcusDAurelius @lostandfoundtr1 @stoltussolus @maxfeynman @rev_felix @autocorrect2_0 @CatholicABear @AbortionChat For millennia, when men were the sole custodial parents after divorce, women were neither asked nor required to pay child support. Men had to support the children of whom the men had custody.

Why can’t modern women handle the same degree of responsibility as men of old?
@Beffernusse @maqart55 @Asheswillfall1 @grlinblu @thatsnotokay22 @melJsaysso @freetaught1 @ornithopter16 @FreckledLiberty @notmuchelse @HansonmanZ @prochoicebishhh @6igantuar @VeryBannable @ParadigmArray @MarcusDAurelius @lostandfoundtr1 @stoltussolus @maxfeynman @rev_felix @autocorrect2_0 @CatholicABear @AbortionChat Regarding when men always got custody in divorce, consider "Lagging Behind the Times: Parenthood, Custody, and Gender Bias in the Family Court" by Cynthia A. McNeely published in 1998 in Volume 25 of the _Florida State University Law Review_ page 891 (ir.law.fsu.edu/cgi/viewconten…).
@Beffernusse @maqart55 @Asheswillfall1 @grlinblu @thatsnotokay22 @melJsaysso @freetaught1 @ornithopter16 @FreckledLiberty @notmuchelse @HansonmanZ @prochoicebishhh @6igantuar @VeryBannable @ParadigmArray @MarcusDAurelius @lostandfoundtr1 @stoltussolus @maxfeynman @rev_felix @autocorrect2_0 @CatholicABear @AbortionChat "[T]he father [was designated] as the natural protector of children because he had the ability to provide for their financial support. Women were seen as incapable of handling legal or financial matters…." 25 Fla. St. U. L. Rev. 891, 897 (1998).
@Beffernusse @maqart55 @Asheswillfall1 @grlinblu @thatsnotokay22 @melJsaysso @freetaught1 @ornithopter16 @FreckledLiberty @notmuchelse @HansonmanZ @prochoicebishhh @6igantuar @VeryBannable @ParadigmArray @MarcusDAurelius @lostandfoundtr1 @stoltussolus @maxfeynman @rev_felix @autocorrect2_0 @CatholicABear @AbortionChat "Congress implemented the Talfourd Act of 1839 to legislate the presumption that courts should award custody of children under age seven to the mother." 25 Fla. St. U. L. Rev. at 897 (1998).
@Beffernusse @maqart55 @Asheswillfall1 @grlinblu @thatsnotokay22 @melJsaysso @freetaught1 @ornithopter16 @FreckledLiberty @notmuchelse @HansonmanZ @prochoicebishhh @6igantuar @VeryBannable @ParadigmArray @MarcusDAurelius @lostandfoundtr1 @stoltussolus @maxfeynman @rev_felix @autocorrect2_0 @CatholicABear @AbortionChat "This presumption became known as the 'tender-years doctrine,' which legalized for the first time the belief that mothers were better suited to raise children than fathers." 25 Fla. St. U. L. Rev. at 897 (1998).
@Beffernusse @maqart55 @Asheswillfall1 @grlinblu @thatsnotokay22 @melJsaysso @freetaught1 @ornithopter16 @FreckledLiberty @notmuchelse @HansonmanZ @prochoicebishhh @6igantuar @VeryBannable @ParadigmArray @MarcusDAurelius @lostandfoundtr1 @stoltussolus @maxfeynman @rev_felix @autocorrect2_0 @CatholicABear @AbortionChat “These… roles ensured the continued economic subjugation of women by requiring their dependence on men for economic survival, following divorce in the forms of alimony and child support, as social etiquette demanded that mothers not work.” 25 Fla. St. U. L. Rev. 891, 901 (1998).
@Beffernusse @maqart55 @Asheswillfall1 @grlinblu @thatsnotokay22 @melJsaysso @freetaught1 @ornithopter16 @FreckledLiberty @notmuchelse @HansonmanZ @prochoicebishhh @6igantuar @VeryBannable @ParadigmArray @MarcusDAurelius @lostandfoundtr1 @stoltussolus @maxfeynman @rev_felix @autocorrect2_0 @CatholicABear @AbortionChat “Eventually, 'the tender-years presumption became the rationale for awarding custody of children of all ages to the mother on a permanent basis.'” 25 Fla. St. U. L. Rev. at 899 (1998).
@Beffernusse @maqart55 @Asheswillfall1 @grlinblu @thatsnotokay22 @melJsaysso @freetaught1 @ornithopter16 @FreckledLiberty @notmuchelse @HansonmanZ @prochoicebishhh @6igantuar @VeryBannable @ParadigmArray @MarcusDAurelius @lostandfoundtr1 @stoltussolus @maxfeynman @rev_felix @autocorrect2_0 @CatholicABear @AbortionChat "[T]he continuous refrain throughout the last one hundred years has been that when it comes to childrearing, fathers are not that important." 25 Fla. St. U. L. Rev. at 914 (1998).

You might think the culprit was patriarchy, but it was actually feminism.
@Beffernusse @maqart55 @Asheswillfall1 @grlinblu @thatsnotokay22 @melJsaysso @freetaught1 @ornithopter16 @FreckledLiberty @notmuchelse @HansonmanZ @prochoicebishhh @6igantuar @VeryBannable @ParadigmArray @MarcusDAurelius @lostandfoundtr1 @stoltussolus @maxfeynman @rev_felix @autocorrect2_0 @CatholicABear @AbortionChat Consider "The Divorce Bargain: The Fathers’ Rights Movement and Family Inequalities" by Deborah Dinner published in 2016 in Volume 102 of the _Virginia Law Review_ beginning at page 79 (available at: virginialawreview.org/wp-content/upl…).
@Beffernusse @maqart55 @Asheswillfall1 @grlinblu @thatsnotokay22 @melJsaysso @freetaught1 @ornithopter16 @FreckledLiberty @notmuchelse @HansonmanZ @prochoicebishhh @6igantuar @VeryBannable @ParadigmArray @MarcusDAurelius @lostandfoundtr1 @stoltussolus @maxfeynman @rev_felix @autocorrect2_0 @CatholicABear @AbortionChat "By promoting joint custody as well as sex-neutral spousal maintenance, …the [divorce] bargain liberalized gender roles within divorced families, offering a model of a more egalitarian family structure." 102 Virginia Law Review 142 (virginialawreview.org/wp-content/upl…).
@Beffernusse @maqart55 @Asheswillfall1 @grlinblu @thatsnotokay22 @melJsaysso @freetaught1 @ornithopter16 @FreckledLiberty @notmuchelse @HansonmanZ @prochoicebishhh @6igantuar @VeryBannable @ParadigmArray @MarcusDAurelius @lostandfoundtr1 @stoltussolus @maxfeynman @rev_felix @autocorrect2_0 @CatholicABear @AbortionChat "Criticism of joint custody formed part of a broader critique among feminist legal theorists in the 1980s about what they perceived as an earlier generation of feminist reformers’ mistaken focus on same treatment." 102 Virginia Law Review 144 (virginialawreview.org/wp-content/upl…).
@Beffernusse @maqart55 @Asheswillfall1 @grlinblu @thatsnotokay22 @melJsaysso @freetaught1 @ornithopter16 @FreckledLiberty @notmuchelse @HansonmanZ @prochoicebishhh @6igantuar @VeryBannable @ParadigmArray @MarcusDAurelius @lostandfoundtr1 @stoltussolus @maxfeynman @rev_felix @autocorrect2_0 @CatholicABear @AbortionChat As outlined above, before labor-saving gizmos, men used to be awarded custody whenever the courts got involved and then the "tender years" doctrine came to be (which was advocated for by women) which led to sole custody being awarded to women and women getting child support.
@Beffernusse @maqart55 @Asheswillfall1 @grlinblu @thatsnotokay22 @melJsaysso @freetaught1 @ornithopter16 @FreckledLiberty @notmuchelse @HansonmanZ @prochoicebishhh @6igantuar @VeryBannable @ParadigmArray @MarcusDAurelius @lostandfoundtr1 @stoltussolus @maxfeynman @rev_felix @autocorrect2_0 @CatholicABear @AbortionChat However, men prior to the "tender years" doctrine had to be the household breadwinner (as such men received no child support at that time) and had to care for their kids.

@Beffernusse, why can't modern women handle the degree of responsibility on their own that men of old could?
@Beffernusse @maqart55 @Asheswillfall1 @grlinblu @thatsnotokay22 @melJsaysso @freetaught1 @ornithopter16 @FreckledLiberty @notmuchelse @HansonmanZ @prochoicebishhh @6igantuar @VeryBannable @ParadigmArray @MarcusDAurelius @lostandfoundtr1 @stoltussolus @maxfeynman @rev_felix @autocorrect2_0 @CatholicABear @AbortionChat There was no child support prior to the 1800's. Child support didn't exist in America 🇺🇸 prior to 1839. The idea that women were responsible enough to independently parent started in 1839 (but women needed a man's financial help as women were seen as so irresponsible otherwise).
@Beffernusse @maqart55 @Asheswillfall1 @grlinblu @thatsnotokay22 @melJsaysso @freetaught1 @ornithopter16 @FreckledLiberty @notmuchelse @HansonmanZ @prochoicebishhh @6igantuar @VeryBannable @ParadigmArray @MarcusDAurelius @lostandfoundtr1 @stoltussolus @maxfeynman @rev_felix @autocorrect2_0 @CatholicABear @AbortionChat Consider that kids in father-only homes have no difference in incarceration rate than kids from two-parent homes (mnpsych.org/index.php%3Fop…).

It seems like the Tender Years Doctrine and the laws based thereon were not in children's best interest, no?
@Beffernusse @maqart55 @Asheswillfall1 @grlinblu @thatsnotokay22 @melJsaysso @freetaught1 @ornithopter16 @FreckledLiberty @notmuchelse @HansonmanZ @prochoicebishhh @6igantuar @VeryBannable @ParadigmArray @MarcusDAurelius @lostandfoundtr1 @stoltussolus @maxfeynman @rev_felix @autocorrect2_0 @CatholicABear @AbortionChat Why is there this disparity between single mother households and both single father households and two-parent households?

Is it in society’s interests to fund the single-parent lifestyle choice women make? …or the force fathers to fund that lifestyle?
@Beffernusse @maqart55 @Asheswillfall1 @grlinblu @thatsnotokay22 @melJsaysso @freetaught1 @ornithopter16 @FreckledLiberty @notmuchelse @HansonmanZ @prochoicebishhh @6igantuar @VeryBannable @ParadigmArray @MarcusDAurelius @lostandfoundtr1 @stoltussolus @maxfeynman @rev_felix @autocorrect2_0 @CatholicABear @AbortionChat Why are men asked to finance women's lifestyle choice?

Well, perhaps because men work more hours than women (on average) and thereby men get more pay than women (on average).

Afterall, there is a #GenderedLaborGap and a #GenderPayGap.
@Beffernusse @maqart55 @Asheswillfall1 @grlinblu @thatsnotokay22 @melJsaysso @freetaught1 @ornithopter16 @FreckledLiberty @notmuchelse @HansonmanZ @prochoicebishhh @6igantuar @VeryBannable @ParadigmArray @MarcusDAurelius @lostandfoundtr1 @stoltussolus @maxfeynman @rev_felix @autocorrect2_0 @CatholicABear @AbortionChat @BLS_gov @pewresearch American Time Use Survey (with 2017 as an example) shows that women on average are not spending enough more time with their kids, doing chores, or anything else to explain women's lack of time working.

On average, men just work more in America (considering both paid and unpaid).
@Beffernusse @maqart55 @Asheswillfall1 @grlinblu @thatsnotokay22 @melJsaysso @freetaught1 @ornithopter16 @FreckledLiberty @notmuchelse @HansonmanZ @prochoicebishhh @6igantuar @VeryBannable @ParadigmArray @MarcusDAurelius @lostandfoundtr1 @stoltussolus @maxfeynman @rev_felix @autocorrect2_0 @CatholicABear @AbortionChat @BLS_gov @pewresearch Now comparing the men from Table 8B to the women from Table 8C (where the youngest child is under 6):

Women care for and help household members 2.08 more hours per day than men in the most extreme case presented by Table 8A, but men work 6.43 hours more per day than women.
@Beffernusse @maqart55 @Asheswillfall1 @grlinblu @thatsnotokay22 @melJsaysso @freetaught1 @ornithopter16 @FreckledLiberty @notmuchelse @HansonmanZ @prochoicebishhh @6igantuar @VeryBannable @ParadigmArray @MarcusDAurelius @lostandfoundtr1 @stoltussolus @maxfeynman @rev_felix @autocorrect2_0 @CatholicABear @AbortionChat @BLS_gov @pewresearch Similarly, comparing the men from Table 8B to the women from Table 8C (where the youngest child is under 6), women do household activities for 1.91 more hours per day than men in the most extreme case presented by Table 8A, but, again, men work 6.43 hours more per day than women.
@Beffernusse @maqart55 @Asheswillfall1 @grlinblu @thatsnotokay22 @melJsaysso @freetaught1 @ornithopter16 @FreckledLiberty @notmuchelse @HansonmanZ @prochoicebishhh @6igantuar @VeryBannable @ParadigmArray @MarcusDAurelius @lostandfoundtr1 @stoltussolus @maxfeynman @rev_felix @autocorrect2_0 @CatholicABear @AbortionChat @BLS_gov @pewresearch By comparing the men from Table 8B to the women from Table 8C (using the youngest child under 6 column), we see the situation where women are unemployed and spending the most time caring not only for the children but the whole family.
@Beffernusse @maqart55 @Asheswillfall1 @grlinblu @thatsnotokay22 @melJsaysso @freetaught1 @ornithopter16 @FreckledLiberty @notmuchelse @HansonmanZ @prochoicebishhh @6igantuar @VeryBannable @ParadigmArray @MarcusDAurelius @lostandfoundtr1 @stoltussolus @maxfeynman @rev_felix @autocorrect2_0 @CatholicABear @AbortionChat @BLS_gov @pewresearch Other @BLS_gov data (see below) indicates that 61% of families have both parents employed (bls.gov/opub/ted/2017/…) but does not indicate whether the mothers are working full-time or part-time.

The American Time Use Survey does have an answer in Table 8B.

Let's check that out.
@Beffernusse @maqart55 @Asheswillfall1 @grlinblu @thatsnotokay22 @melJsaysso @freetaught1 @ornithopter16 @FreckledLiberty @notmuchelse @HansonmanZ @prochoicebishhh @6igantuar @VeryBannable @ParadigmArray @MarcusDAurelius @lostandfoundtr1 @stoltussolus @maxfeynman @rev_felix @autocorrect2_0 @CatholicABear @AbortionChat @BLS_gov @pewresearch Maybe women are forced to stay home with their kids and that causes the gap. If true, women with no kids should be working the same amount as men in the workforce as there is no reason not to since there is no reason to be on call and no extra household or childcare duties.
@Beffernusse @maqart55 @Asheswillfall1 @grlinblu @thatsnotokay22 @melJsaysso @freetaught1 @ornithopter16 @FreckledLiberty @notmuchelse @HansonmanZ @prochoicebishhh @6igantuar @VeryBannable @ParadigmArray @MarcusDAurelius @lostandfoundtr1 @stoltussolus @maxfeynman @rev_felix @autocorrect2_0 @CatholicABear @AbortionChat @BLS_gov @pewresearch Whether you consider all currently childless folks (Table 8A) or just the ones working (Table 8B), women spend less time on paid labor and related activities and women spend less time working considering both unpaid domestic labor and paid labor added together. The pattern holds.
@Beffernusse @maqart55 @Asheswillfall1 @grlinblu @thatsnotokay22 @melJsaysso @freetaught1 @ornithopter16 @FreckledLiberty @notmuchelse @HansonmanZ @prochoicebishhh @6igantuar @VeryBannable @ParadigmArray @MarcusDAurelius @lostandfoundtr1 @stoltussolus @maxfeynman @rev_felix @autocorrect2_0 @CatholicABear @AbortionChat @BLS_gov @pewresearch Moreover, homemaking is not usually physically demanding work (unlike the paid labor many men do that women typically do not).

See, Women Workers and Women at Home Are Equally Inactive: NHANES 2003–2006 (available at ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/P…).
@Beffernusse @maqart55 @Asheswillfall1 @grlinblu @thatsnotokay22 @melJsaysso @freetaught1 @ornithopter16 @FreckledLiberty @notmuchelse @HansonmanZ @prochoicebishhh @6igantuar @VeryBannable @ParadigmArray @MarcusDAurelius @lostandfoundtr1 @stoltussolus @maxfeynman @rev_felix @autocorrect2_0 @CatholicABear @AbortionChat @BLS_gov @pewresearch "Women spent most of their day in sedentary (~55%) and light (~32%) activity, with limited lifestyle (~11%) and moderate vigorous physical activity (MVPA) (~2%), and there were no differences between the homemakers and [employed women]" (ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/P…).
@Beffernusse @maqart55 @Asheswillfall1 @grlinblu @thatsnotokay22 @melJsaysso @freetaught1 @ornithopter16 @FreckledLiberty @notmuchelse @HansonmanZ @prochoicebishhh @6igantuar @VeryBannable @ParadigmArray @MarcusDAurelius @lostandfoundtr1 @stoltussolus @maxfeynman @rev_felix @autocorrect2_0 @CatholicABear @AbortionChat @BLS_gov @pewresearch The Social Security Administration doesn't generally consider "household tasks" and "self-care" to be substantial gainful activity (even where one is getting in-kind payment like living rent-free). Social Security Ruling 83-33; POMS § DI 10501.001; 20 C.F.R. §§ 404.1572, 416.972.
@Beffernusse @maqart55 @Asheswillfall1 @grlinblu @thatsnotokay22 @melJsaysso @freetaught1 @ornithopter16 @FreckledLiberty @notmuchelse @HansonmanZ @prochoicebishhh @6igantuar @VeryBannable @ParadigmArray @MarcusDAurelius @lostandfoundtr1 @stoltussolus @maxfeynman @rev_felix @autocorrect2_0 @CatholicABear @AbortionChat @BLS_gov @pewresearch So, @Beffernusse, why can't modern women handle the degree of responsibility on their own that the men of old could ()?

Why can't women work as many hours as men to support the children that those women unilaterally chose to have?

Are women less capable?

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