If you 'celebrated' last night, and are 30 or over, you've probably spent today grappling with a phenomenon @elisjames flagged up recently
The 'psychological' hangover. The intense anxiety/unease that lays you low all day, or longer. What's that about?
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@elisjames It's a bit of a cliché, in the UK at least; when you start drinking at 18 (*cough*) you can cane it all night, wake up and feel crap for a couple of hours, but then bounce back and do it all again, guilt free and right as rain
But as you get older, that gets... harder
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Usually around your late twenties, but especially after them, your hangovers change. The physical effects may be less intense, but they endure longer. And the mental aspect is way worse. No more laughing it off, it's at least a day of feeling crap/sluggish/paranoid etc.
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I've been trying to work out the formula, but as a rule of thumb, I'd say that, once you hit 18, every year you age adds 1 hour to your hangover.
So in your teens, it's mostly gone when you wake up. In your 40s, settle in, it's here for the day now.
Or something like that
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Now a lot of this will be due to the physical and neurological effects of age. When we're younger, we just are more physically resilient, and can recover faster. Hence pro sports people are invariably in their 20s, and mid thirties is often 'over the hill'.
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This will apply to your ability to recover from the toxic consequences of alcohol too.
That's basically what a hangover is; not the alcohol per se, but the biproducts of your body clearing it out from your metabolism. Like soot clogging an engine
Thing is, if you're a regular drinker as you develop, then your body will grow to adapt to the presence of alcohol as well. Your liver enzymes will adjust to deal with it etc.
This might explain why your hangovers are briefer, but often physically more severe, when you're younger. Your young body is going "What the hell is all THIS? GET IT OUT" [Vomit]
Your older body says "Ethanol again is it? Hang on, I'll fire up the cleaning system, as per"
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Obviously, there's also the aspect that when you're younger, you're more likely to just drink more overall. Because you CAN! Away from home the first time, surrounded by like minded people, why wouldn't you? And thus, more physical symptoms from a higher toxic dose
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But however it comes about, if your *physical* hangover symptoms reduce as your age, then the *mental*ones seem to increase, to compensate. And they can last much longer. You get 'the fear', or a general anxious, nervous state that badly impacts on your waking life
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It turns out, alcohol consumption seemingly has a direct impact on your brain's ability to regulate and control your emotions.
Research suggests the progression of a hangover leads to different emotional disruptions, like depression-style symptoms occur earlier, anxiety ones later
Ever had that hangover period where you feel really 'low', then just nervous when it ebbs?
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There's also how alcohol tends to hit more complex brain regions 'harder' (they're more sophisticated, so have more to disrupt). And there's little more complex than the prefrontal cortex
And among its many functions are... regulating the amygdala
So, basically, one thing alcohol does *very* well (or, more specifically, it's biproducts) is scramble our brain's ability to effectively process our emotions, causing us to feel nervous, paranoid etc. while we're hungover.
Why does this affect us more as we age, though?
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Well (as @elisjames pointed out on @distantpod), much of it will be social/cultural. When you're younger, you have fewer responsibilities and day-to-day pressures, plus you're with like-minded people. You have less to 'fear' from alcohol consumption and subsequent hangover
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But there's likely more to it than that. It may well be due to the fact that the brain hasn't fully 'matured' until age 25 or so. And one thing that hasn't matured is its ability to control and regulate emotions, particularly via the amygdala.
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In a strange way, the younger brain not yet figuring out how to fully deal with emotions may be protective. The morning after it may be thinking "I feel like shit. Am I meant to feel like shit? Maybe. Is this normal? It might be. I'll just make a note of this and crack on"
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By contrast, the hungover 40-something brain is going "Got a LOT of negative emotions being churned up here. That's not meant to be happening. This isn't good. Something must have gone veeerry wrong. I'd better figure out what it is, even if it takes me all day"
And it WILL
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And it could be that the physical effects of alcohol are playing a role too. Your body is feeling like crap with all the toxins, the gut-brain axis means your subconscious mind knows all about this, so it activates the 'danger' alerts.
But because it's so deeply physiological, your conscious brain (already compromised by alcohol toxins) just gets 'negative emotions', and no useful info. So it knows 'something' is wrong, but not what. So you get general, implacable, anxiety that you try to attach to things
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That's with a fully mature brain, though. A younger brain and body, better able to physically shrug off the alcohol effects and less 'rigid' about how to handle strong negative emotions, experiences the whole thing differently.
It's one explanation, anyway.
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So, if you're over 30 and are still struggling with the general, implacable sense of anxiety and unease resulting from last nights revelry, odds are you didn't do anything awful, it's just this is how your brain reacts to alcohol now.
Sorry about that
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Hope this thread has proved useful
If you'd like to know more about the weird/wonderful/infuriating ways in which our brain deals with emotions, I've a book about exactly that published 12/01.23
Shouldn't be possible ,but I don't think anyone involved in this has ever seen the moon or knows what it is. A pointless mess that lost vast sums of money and even more dignity
Although a main character is an Elon Musk fanboy, so that adds up
While good, it means countless well-meant posts/platitudes encouraging people to reach out, open up, practice self care, etc.
Such things *can* help with mental health, sure. But you know what would really improve mental health all round?
Money
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Whether it's #WorldMentalHealth or any of the other many related occasions, one common theme is that the messaging pretty much always focuses on the 'stuff that doesn't actually cost anything to anyone with any power'. And that's... not great, really.
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Telling people to 'reach out to someone' is good advice. Although the onus is on the person struggling with mental health to actually do the work or pay the phone bill.
"I'm here to talk" is also nice. But talk isn't exactly pricey, as the old saying goes (sort of)
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The recent talk of the Govt again being brutal towards benefits and those who needs them reminded me of something that shows just how batsh*t the benefits system is in this country
Some years ago, a close family member had to claim jobseekers allowance for a few months
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It happens. Not exactly an economically privileged area, where I'm from.
Luckily they found another job in a few months. So, obviously, went to cancel their JSA. What with not being a 'scrounger', like 99.999999999% of those who need benefits
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Problem was, to cancel their jobseekers allowance, they had to use the automated phone line. Which was, to put it mildly, not fit for purpose. After several (prolonged) attempts, they still didn't get it done. To the point where they got 3 more weeks of JSA.
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Every time politics leaves people hungry (seemingly a bi-monthly event), you ALWAYS get *this* take
"Basic edible matter is cheap, so this 'starvation' talk is nonsense"
Besides breathtakingly cynical/evil, it's also flat out wrong, for many (scientific) reasons
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First and foremost, it's universally agreed that humans need a 'balanced diet'. However you define that (and it can be tricky), it means 'people need to eat many different foods in order to function')
I guess you could argue that 'nothing but oats for a weeks on end' counts as a 'balanced' diet, the same way that a see-saw with a tractor on one end and nothing on the other is 'balanced'.
It's not, though. It's not wobbling, but it's definitely not working.
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