MODERN FEMINISM VS RED PILL
DOGMA VS OIKONOMIA
FREEDOM VS SLAVERY
SINGLE OR MARRIED
PATRIARCHY VS MODERN FEMINISM
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DOGMA VS OIKONOMIA
FREEDOM VS SLAVERY
SINGLE OR MARRIED
PATRIARCHY VS MODERN FEMINISM
thread
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We are used to always blame something in the past to justify the present in this online world now.
Arrest of Andrew Tate in Romania has made global headlines.
Feminists vs Red-Pillists have gone in overdrive on the internet trying to fool as many as millions as they can.
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Arrest of Andrew Tate in Romania has made global headlines.
Feminists vs Red-Pillists have gone in overdrive on the internet trying to fool as many as millions as they can.
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Let's look at the Slavery topic.
You know when was the first time when the idea of liberating the slaves appeared?
In the 4th century we have debates between St. Basil vs St. Gregory of Nyssa.
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You know when was the first time when the idea of liberating the slaves appeared?
In the 4th century we have debates between St. Basil vs St. Gregory of Nyssa.
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St. Gregory of Nyssa insisted that all Slaves must be given freedom because all humans are made in the image of Christ, they are all Christs.
St. Basil would more or less reply: Agree, but we are not there yet. The supply chains would break down, the economy would die.
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St. Basil would more or less reply: Agree, but we are not there yet. The supply chains would break down, the economy would die.
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Fast forward 1600 years later, from 18th to 20th century, Slaves were given freedom.
Why?
Because of Automation made possible by Steam Engine and later electricity and diesel engine.
Slaves were no longer needed to uphold supply chains. Freedom given.
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Why?
Because of Automation made possible by Steam Engine and later electricity and diesel engine.
Slaves were no longer needed to uphold supply chains. Freedom given.
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So, yes, folks. Idea for liberation of slaves has a theological beginning, All Men are born equal as Christs, true.
But, it was not feasible until Automation became feasible from discovery of energy abundance.
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But, it was not feasible until Automation became feasible from discovery of energy abundance.
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Until then, the Society had to.............SURVIVE...... (thanks @nntaleb for revealing that concept to us on Incerto).
Societies always tend to defend themselves from extinction, which means SURVIVAL INSTICT. They do anything to survive.
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Societies always tend to defend themselves from extinction, which means SURVIVAL INSTICT. They do anything to survive.
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You see where I am coming from?
Anything that has happened which seems like revolutionary, it was actually only made possible because Society had means to survive, after the said revolution.
Let's look at them.
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Anything that has happened which seems like revolutionary, it was actually only made possible because Society had means to survive, after the said revolution.
Let's look at them.
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Homosexuality:
In Ancient Greece male homosexuality was celebrated, whereas female sexuality was basically banned.
Why?
Because the ancients understood that society needs women to produce kids in order to survive.
So, No Patriarchy there as you see, it was all economical.
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In Ancient Greece male homosexuality was celebrated, whereas female sexuality was basically banned.
Why?
Because the ancients understood that society needs women to produce kids in order to survive.
So, No Patriarchy there as you see, it was all economical.
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When did homosexuality become normal again, this time for both males and females?
You got it.
When there was no need to bear 6,7,8 kids per family, the family as we knew it collapsed gradually.
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You got it.
When there was no need to bear 6,7,8 kids per family, the family as we knew it collapsed gradually.
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Kids and Family:
The habit used to be that men would work and lead the house, women mainly do house work and produce kids.
Why?
Because kids were needed as work force.
Because kids were needed as old age insurance.
THIS IS SURVIVAL. NOTHING TO DO WITH THE PATRIARCHY.
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The habit used to be that men would work and lead the house, women mainly do house work and produce kids.
Why?
Because kids were needed as work force.
Because kids were needed as old age insurance.
THIS IS SURVIVAL. NOTHING TO DO WITH THE PATRIARCHY.
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When did family collapse?
You got it folks?
AUTOMATION. ENERGY ABUNDANCE.
There was no need to produce 7 kids per family any more.
Automation, Electricity, Fossil Fuels replaced the need to produce kids as work force and old age insurance.
NO PATRIARCHY HERE.
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You got it folks?
AUTOMATION. ENERGY ABUNDANCE.
There was no need to produce 7 kids per family any more.
Automation, Electricity, Fossil Fuels replaced the need to produce kids as work force and old age insurance.
NO PATRIARCHY HERE.
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Let's go to marriage:
You know who issued edicts to obligate people to get married?
EMPEROR AUGUSTUS OF ROME
People were not getting married because City of Rome was very wealthy as goods from the empire had inundated Rome.
RING A BELL FOLKS? Exactly as now.
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You know who issued edicts to obligate people to get married?
EMPEROR AUGUSTUS OF ROME
People were not getting married because City of Rome was very wealthy as goods from the empire had inundated Rome.
RING A BELL FOLKS? Exactly as now.
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Augustus saw that the Society would go extinct from lack of marriages, so he decreed law for mandatory marriage.
The Church later, when it became legal in the Roman Empire, had to submit to these Roman Laws.
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The Church later, when it became legal in the Roman Empire, had to submit to these Roman Laws.
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So, again folks.
NOTHING TO DO WITH THE CHURCH OR PATRIARCHY.
IT WAS..............SURVIVAL OF THE SOCIETY (thank you @nntaleb )
Marriage is NOT a Dogma, it's Oikonomia. The Church had to take Management Decisions to submit to Roman Law, Oikonomia.
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NOTHING TO DO WITH THE CHURCH OR PATRIARCHY.
IT WAS..............SURVIVAL OF THE SOCIETY (thank you @nntaleb )
Marriage is NOT a Dogma, it's Oikonomia. The Church had to take Management Decisions to submit to Roman Law, Oikonomia.
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@nntaleb Same thing for the emancipation of women, or whatever.
All these FREEDOMS, of being single, of being gay, of being feminist or red pill, or not having kids etc etc, NOTHING TO WITH OPPRESSION AND PATRIARCHY ETC.
It was all Survival.
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All these FREEDOMS, of being single, of being gay, of being feminist or red pill, or not having kids etc etc, NOTHING TO WITH OPPRESSION AND PATRIARCHY ETC.
It was all Survival.
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@nntaleb All these became possible only after the society could survive, via Automation, which became possible only after energy became abundant from electricity and fossil fuels.
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@nntaleb So, please, when you see all these people complaining for this or for that, or whatever was achieved, or how bad the past was and how we fixed the problems.
No, we fixed nothing, in the same way that St. Gregory of Nyssa could not free the Slaves.
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No, we fixed nothing, in the same way that St. Gregory of Nyssa could not free the Slaves.
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It was Electricity and Fossil fuels which made possible that our societies could survive after those ideas were implemented.
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