A few points about Donbas & background of the SMO
The old Donbas, before integrated with Ukraine, actually stretches into Russia. So there's a part of Donbas that is still Russian. It's the same people w the same ethnicity living on both sides of the Ukraine-Russia border.
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The old Donbas, before integrated with Ukraine, actually stretches into Russia. So there's a part of Donbas that is still Russian. It's the same people w the same ethnicity living on both sides of the Ukraine-Russia border.
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"The two Donbas provinces of Donetsk and Luhansk have had de facto autonomy from Kiev for a long time. Going back to czarist times, Donbass has always been a largely autonomous region that socially, politically and economically speaking did not entirely
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adapt to any central ruling power.
... After independence in 1991, the factories left and unemployment and other social problems took hold but Donbass largely kept its political autonomy and developed local power structures that essentially made it a state within a state."
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... After independence in 1991, the factories left and unemployment and other social problems took hold but Donbass largely kept its political autonomy and developed local power structures that essentially made it a state within a state."
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Since the early 20th century, mostly Russian people moved to Donbas to find jobs, mainly in heavy industry and coal mining. Donbas grew into a heavily industrialized area that kept its mainly Russian identity, while Luhansk and Donetsk kept most of their independency.
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At the time of the Maidan revolution in early 2014 there was an anti-Russian sentiment in Ukraine, and a lot of violent events and attacks against Russians. This was the reason why Russia decided to not risk its military naval base in Sevastopol and annexed Crimea.
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After the US backed coup, the anti-Russian sentiment prevailed. The main events that made Luhansk and Donetsk decide for independency were the massacres in Odessa and Mariupol.
It was NOT Russia who influenced or forced LPR and DPR to seek independency.
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It was NOT Russia who influenced or forced LPR and DPR to seek independency.
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They wanted to keep their Russian culture, language as well as independency. When Ukrainian mobs approached Luhansk and Donetsk to do the same they've done in other places, they said no. It was the people in Donbas who said no, not a few militarized "Pro-Russian separatists".
In fact, they were nationalists and patriots, fighting to maintain their rights, freedom and independency.
In 7 April 2014 protesters occupied government buildings in the east Ukrainian cities of Donetsk, Luhansk and Kharkiv, calling for a referendum on independence.
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In 7 April 2014 protesters occupied government buildings in the east Ukrainian cities of Donetsk, Luhansk and Kharkiv, calling for a referendum on independence.
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Porochenko declared the protesters "terrorists" and went in with military force. Ukrainian regained the control of Kharkiv government buildings the next day.
Igor Girkin brought armed mercenaries from Crimea on his own initiative (acc to himself) to protect the protesters.
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Igor Girkin brought armed mercenaries from Crimea on his own initiative (acc to himself) to protect the protesters.
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On 12 April 2014, Girkin lead the occupation of Slowjansk.
But Russia did not give Luhansk and Support until July. (This has also been confirmed by Girkin.)
So you need to realize that the people of Luhansk and Donetsk only acted to protect themselves.
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But Russia did not give Luhansk and Support until July. (This has also been confirmed by Girkin.)
So you need to realize that the people of Luhansk and Donetsk only acted to protect themselves.
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It was NOT Russia who started the Ukraine Civil war. It did not start with Crimea. The annexation of Crimea has NOTHING to do with the events that took place in Donbas. It's a completely separate issue.
BTW, the annexation had was no bloodshed. Not one single shot was fired.
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BTW, the annexation had was no bloodshed. Not one single shot was fired.
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Ukraine let Crimea go, they did nothing to stop it and they have never negotiated to get it back. In fact, they haven't even asked to get it back until 2022.
Whether you agree with Russias actions in 2022 or if you condemn Russia, all of what I've said is still facts.
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Whether you agree with Russias actions in 2022 or if you condemn Russia, all of what I've said is still facts.
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European & NATO countries have used the Donbas civil war to have something to blame on Russia, so they could have reasons to sanction Russia. The 2014 war was not Russia's fault.
Look up the facts if you don't believe me. Study the time line well. History speaks for itself.
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Look up the facts if you don't believe me. Study the time line well. History speaks for itself.
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That's all
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I will lock this thread to only let people I follow reply in order to keep juvenile NAFO trolls from derailing the comments. But I will try to follow you back if you follow me.
The quote in the beginning of the thread comes from this article:
web.archive.org/web/2022051615…
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Here's the thread reader version. If you click on my name on top of the thread, you can find many of my threads, as two shorter threads on the Odessa massacre and Mariupol.
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Here's the thread reader version. If you click on my name on top of the thread, you can find many of my threads, as two shorter threads on the Odessa massacre and Mariupol.
threadreaderapp.com/thread/1614929…
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