everyone just stop...
im getting over 12 msg in the last hour about the "super secret depleted uranium armor" that prevents the US from donating US tanks.
let me start by saying ... REALLY, i mean REALLY??? thats what you are going with. the M1s have been in combat for 30ish years in iraq (both wars). we have lost a lot of them over time... china, russia, iceland ... everyone has had a chance to see the DU armor up close by now
local scrap yards in iraq have got large sections of M1s.. you are talking about a secret in the defense industry for over 30 years.. hey people got something to tell you, its no longer secret.
Chobham armour was at one time top secret, just a few years ago, but guess what, now there is a wiki page about it. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chobham_a…
russia already knows about DU armor, and what it can do, they just cant make it like the US can, and it goes against there doctrine of light small tanks.
people keep making things up to try to justify the M1 not going to ukraine
parts
training
fuel
unicorns
and now "the super secret" armor..
the fact is the ONLY reason that the M1 is not in ukr right now is.. politics. the sooner we all say it the sooner we can deal with it
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i recently posted something about @MarkHertling after he posted things about the M1 tank. things that are 100% untrue. i may have been a little harsh about my reply to him.
here is the simple truth, we are here to help ukr, not say things that may hurt them.
@MarkHertling many people in the political world do not want to give ukr tanks for political reasons.. fine, if thats the case please say it out loud. thats fine i can respect that. i dont agree but who am i? no one.
@MarkHertling some people dont want to give ukr tanks due to cost... ok 100 tanks + parts + training + support + ammo is about 2.5 billion. got it that can buy a lot of himars rockets.. if thats the issue than fine at least say that.
3-4 locations in russia have ask local governments to break away from the russian federation and be there own countries. how long can the federation last when the real numbers of dead are released?
people are asking me for "source" for this.
i have had long sit downs with a few russians outside russia that were willing to talk to me openly.
everyone knows someone that is dead now it seems..
the quality of life has fallen
most russians know its a lie now (WAR)
one of the people i talked to stated that the "russian first" party (putins) was run out of the city and the commies are back in charge. this central russian republic has sent papers to moscow demanding freedom from moscow.
for the last 20 years germany has set on "soft power" to try to get things done. it has not worked. many in the german government want no more military or weapons AT ALL.
the are happy with letting nato and the USA pick up the bill. every time they get a new system they cut back and say they are being "more modern"
look at the CH47 deal.. its a med helo and they are getting. 60
they are replacing the CH53 HEAVY lift helo (66 of them)
so they are replacing 66 heavy with 60 med helos..
and its not just that...
the POS fr attack helos, they cant get them to work properly.. so they ask the US not to remove or shrink the US avi. brigade with its AH64 BN.. they ask the US to cover ger due to a bad helo purchase
what im predicting...
tanks..
at SOME point SOME western tanks will get to ukr...
but i think it will be more of a political move than tactical... dont get me wrong i am all for them getting tanks but this way would be a mess.
here is why...
the UK has stated that they may send 10 tanks.. challenger 2s .. great tank.
poland... a company of tanks..... 10 leo 2A4Ps or 5Ps
finland may send some leo2A4s with IDF sights and upgrades
spain may send some leopard 2EA6
canada may send some leo 2A4M CAN
add to the list any leo1s, Fr tanks, It tanks, etc a fleet of 100 tanks you could have 10 different sets of logistics.. that could be a nightmare. yes send tanks but maybe the EU could buy 100 M1s or something like that. getting 100 diffrent tanks will be a nightmare to field
the best way that ukraine can get modern nato standard tanks... build them!!!
ukr was one of the largest tank manufactures in the world at one time. all the MTLBs, and the T64s were made in ukraine. the factory is still there and so are the tools and people.
the hull (T64) is a reasonably good hull, and after some modifications and reinforcements could be a great doner vehicle for new turrets and future stronger motors (that the can build or import - not import restricted)
the tools to build the vehicles are in ukraine at the old factroies or in ukraine, or can be bought from around the world (again not import restricted). many of the tools needed are the same ones needed to build rail cars or busses. (ukr tanks still in storage in kharkiev)
release the leopards...
im all for it..
but in reality.. what leopards?
there are 100 leo 1s in storage in germany. they have been there for 30 years. they would take months to get battle ready to go and many of the spare parts are gone.. and again we are talking about 100 max!
leo 2s. here is the issues, after the cold war they really stopped making them. they build kits and modify them now. not new hulls. many have been stored outside unused and unloved for decades
no one is going to give a leo2 to ukr that is part of its national defense plan (ger, pol, turk, greek, dutch, can, etc..). they are not going to strip the tanks from there own units.