#thevoice A recent former Chief Justice of the High Court (and technicality mastermind) co-authors an article with Emiritus Prof of constitutional law. As you'd hope and expect, they run through the amendment's language in a methodical manner. It also answers two important qs.
Why put it in the Constitution when we already have a race power? There's a three part answer. I'd also add a fourth: namely, that the race power has discriinatory origins. It is unconscionable to use it, in my view. The second question they answer is about detail. The answer ...
... is great. It is to the effect that there would be no real point, because it will be a matter for parliament to felsh out the detail anyway: 'the most that government can sensibly do is to indicate in broad terms the model it favours.' The authors also...
... make the point that, even if the government expressed an intention to embrace and adopt the co-design model already set out by Langton and Calma, that would have no constitutional legal effect. the article is extremely powerful and, if the referendum is not successful, ...
... I think yes voters will look back at this kind of explanation and reassurance and wonder what we were thinking. Lastly: What's at the heart of the the apparent fear of litigation? Why do people fear the application of law? We're lucky in Aus to have a robust judicature.
A perusal of the Hon French's Wikipedia biography will turn up some great insights. Before law, he ran as a Liberal candidate but lost to Kim Beazely. Humbling, he suggested. On appointment to the CJ of the High Court, he said the following on Indigenous people:
The entry also includes a long quotation in which the former Chief Judge concedes falling into error as Pres of the Native Title Tribunal when not registering certain land. Perhaps example of what Carol Dweck called a 'growth mindset.' Qte fr [9] here: www8.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/viewdo…
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#RobodebtRC Not getting very far with the current (adjourned) witness, to be frank. Incuriosity is incuriosity. If that's right, how can we reinfuse the public service with critical thinking and curiosity? Since most are graduates, I think it has to start at the university.
The other way is to build it into the structures. Set up legal and other critical thinking teams within departments to test heterodox ideas against the standard practices. The public service would ironically probably love that. A little like 'behavioural insights.' Gah.
The old-fashioned method was just to ensure that people were aware of the law that regulated their departments, which presumably hung over new officials' heads like Damacles' blade. Not so today. Should we aim to somewhow revive and reinforce the hornbook authority of legalism?
#RobodebtRC It is also important in this discussion to be aware that the mainstream criminal offence for welfare debts also does not conceive of the criminal wrong as fraud. There is no honesty or deception element in the offence. Section 135.2 Criminal Code. The 'dishonesty' ...
... version of this offence is at s 135.1 and leads to 10 years maximum imprisonment (as opposed to 12 months). This conversation about fraud/criminality versus mistake is super superficial. Because plenty of people are convicted for offences that simply require knowledge. ...
... And when you go the case law on s 135.2 -- such as Poniatowska and Keating (High Court of Australia), the elements of the offence are also not as clear as they seem. So this whole evidence and discussion is just not legally rigorous enough to really do the work of an RC. ...
#RobodebtRC I simply cannot believe that Tudge read about the Amato settlement in the newspaper as he says. The government settled the case! And the minister read about it in the paper? That is just not an adequate explanation.
Is he suggesting that the settlement orders, which were by consent of the government, did not come before his desk? Just so bizarrely removed from the detail. I cannot quite understand this kind of memory fog.
For those interested in the Amato decision, which led to the class action, please have a look at the way income averaging is described in the NOTES section of the consent orders by Justice Davies below (and next). It's v clear about what the process is and why it is unlawful.
#RobodebtRC if the legality question did not arise in 2017, it was because the law hardly needed to declare that a mathematical impossibility was not authorised by statute. The government ultimately had to face the law because the idea that a debt was ‘not my debt’ due to a …
… an incorrect invoice had no impact on them. Only the law, and the test case of Amati run by @VicLegalAid in the Fed Crt prompted the govt to understand that the debts did not exist. Usually you don’t need the law to prove mathematical errors — but *that happened.*
#RobodebtRC Miller's evidence is that the she, and possibly the Minister and others, did not understand the difference between debt calculation and data matching. All of the media advice of course flows from that crucial lacuna in knowledge. And, of course, that distinction ...
... is only the very start of understanding what robodebts are and why they are unlawful. More than ever before, I am compelled to conclude that the department, ministerial staff and ministers just did not understand robodebts. I'm not convinced Jason Ryman, the architect, ...
... understood the basic mathematical problem either, much less the legal problem. No big-noting of the academy here, but it wasn't until a law professor looked at the issue that it started to get some traction. Of course, recipients were awakened to the problem as matter ...
#robodebtrc Nonsense. Model litigant principles or even best practice would surely compel the appeal of an AAT1 decision in which an error of law was committed. Because if they implemented directions of an AAT1 decision that contained an error of law then they would be …
… happily accepting that an error of law had been made and effectively be complicit in the erroneous decision of the AAT1. By implementing the directions on remitted, they are accepting the decision, and the basis on which the directions had been made, as lawful.
This is not an individual having a go in the courts. The department doesn’t have a limit on its legal budget; they cannot justify not appealing an error onerous legal decision when they are asked to implement it. I know there’s wriggle room, but the sequestration of these …