A thread about the best infantry fighting vehicle: the Swedish CV90.
Nine European countries (๐ธ๐ช๐ณ๐ด๐ฉ๐ฐ๐ซ๐ฎ๐ณ๐ฑ๐ช๐ช๐จ๐ญ๐จ๐ฟ๐ธ๐ฐ) have bought the CV90 and others are now eyeing it as their future IFV (๐บ๐ธ๐ฌ๐ง๐ซ๐ท๐ฎ๐น).
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The reason NATO's big four military powers are eyeing/assessing/trialing the CV90 is that it is a mature design with every imaginable variant already existing.
The CV90 isn't the best armored IFV - the best armored is the German KF41 Lynx in this photo. And the CV90 isn't 2/n
the cheapest IFV - that would be the South Korean Redback in this photo.
The CV90 is, due to its many users, the most versatile armored vehicle in production now. Similar to the Leopard 2 tank and the F-16 fighter many users means that there is constant development and 3/n
improvement of the base system, with new and better variants entering service with one of the users every few years.
Let's have a look at some of the CV90 variants, prototypes, and many turret variants. The basic vehicle is the Swedish CV9040, which was introduced in 1994. 4/n
Sweden improved its basic model three times (Versions A, B, C) and is currently upgrading 262 of its A, B, C versions to the D1/D2 and E standard.
The photo shows a D1 (former A) that just came off the production line. This Swedish upgrade isn't changing the armor or gun, or 5/n
the tracks or gun stabilization; this upgrade is about bringing the electronics and optics up to the CV90 Mk IV standard, which is the fourth generation of the non-Swedish CV90s.
Yes, there were two parallel development streams for the CV90 - the Swedish one and the export 6/n
one. The British Warrior never had an upgrade, the Italian Dardo never had an upgrade, while the CV90 was improved every few years either by Sweden or @BAESHagglunds for an export customer:
โข CV90 ๐ธ๐ช
โข CV90 Mk I ๐ณ๐ด
โข CV90 Mk II ๐ซ๐ฎ๐จ๐ญ
โข CV90 Mk III ๐ฉ๐ฐ๐ณ๐ฑ๐ช๐ช
โข CV90 Mk IV ๐จ๐ฟ๐ธ๐ฐ 7/n
Every time a country showed interest in the CV90 an improved variant was developed. As each new variant was based on a model already in service the development was less risky and could be done much faster than a complete new development.
This meant that no customer had to 8/n
wait for years while trials and testing had to be undertaken, and yet all customers received CV90 that worked as promised from the start.
And not only that customers can get every imaginable type of CV90 based armored vehicle. By my last count at least 17 different types of 9/n
CV90 armored vehicles besides the many IFV variants exist.
I.e. do you want a light tank with a 105mm cannon? or with a 120mm canon? with manned turret? or an unmanned turret? All of these already exist as prototypes. 10/n
If you want a CV90 based armored recovery vehicle to tow damaged CV90 IFVs off the battlefield you can get the Swedish Bรคrgningsbandvagn 90 (Bgbv 90), which has been upgraded to D standard, or the brand new Driftstรถdspansarbandvagn 90D (Spbv 90D) based on the CV90 Mk IV. 11/n
Need a V90 based Command Vehicle?
Well, you're in luck and can choose between a Swedish D version with a fake gun, a MK III Dutch version with a gun, and a brand new MK IIIb Norwegian version.
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CV90 based Forward Artillery Observer? Of course you can have that. Self-propelled Anti-aircraft Gun (SPAAG) with a radar - of course there is a version you can order.
But you don't need a dedicated SPAAG - if your CV90 is armed with a 35mm Bushmaster III or 40mm Bofors 13/n
w/70Bc autocannon, you can use airburst ammo to shoot down drones and helicopters.
Airburst ammo is also excellent to clean infantry in trenches (AFAIK Ukraine will get CV90 with this capability). Speaking of guns - no IFV has a powerful cannon as the Swedish CV90. 14/n
The Swedish w/70Bb or w/70B guns with their 40mm APFSDS rounds can penetrate all russian armored vehicles except the frontal armor of upgraded tanks... but even a T-80 is vulnerable if a Swedish CV90 can get fire at it from the side. 15/n
And the CV90 will not have any problems with mud or snow - Sweden designed it specifically for used during the Scandinavian winter, which is even colder than winters in Ukraine. And with Mk IV you get a more powerful engine and Composite Rubber Tracks, which means the CV90 16/n
is now even more agile.
Speaking of Mk IV: if 40mm is too small, now you can have a 50mm autocannon that will pierce russian tanks even on the front and shoot down drones up to 3 km in the air.
If you want anti-tank guided missiles - you can have Spike LR or Akeron MP. 17/n
You need a CV90 Armored Engineer Vehicle? Of course there is one based on Mk IIIb and one based on Mk IV. Reconnaissance variant with extendable sensor mast?
Norway just received such a vehicle. And also a 81mm mortar carrier. Speaking of mortar carriers - 18/n
you can have that as classic mortar carrier with open roof and manual operation, or in a manual dual mortar turret version (Granatkastarpansarbandvagn 90), or as a dual mortar semi-automatic AMOS version, or with the semi-automatic NEMO mortar. 19/n
All these existing variants and versions, and the proven flexibility of the CV90 design make the CV90 the best IFV on the market.
Only version that I miss are self-propelled 155mm artillery and armored ambulance, but for the later 20/n
there is a actually a variant ready to go, if a country should want it: That variant could also serve as Armored personnel carrier, or electronic warfare vehicle, or armored bridge layer. 21/n
Naturally the Mk IV comes with an integrated active protection system (Elbit's Iron Fist) and the newest optics, electronics, and networking capabilities.
All this, and the now almost 30 years of user experience make the CV90 the best IFV a nation can buy. 22/n
As said earlier the KF41 Lynx is even better armored than the CV90 Mk IV, but it exists only as IFV.
Tracked Boxer might even be more flexible than the CV90 Mk IV... but tracked Boxer only exists as prototype and Powerpoints. 23/n
So if your army needs a renewal of its tracked armored fleet - you can risk a new development and end up with a costly, unworkable disaster that threatens your army's existence as a credible fighting force (Ajax). 24/n
Or you get the best of all the IFVs currently in production: the CV90 Mk IV, which comes with all the variants you ever dreamed off.
It's just the best there is.
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German submarines and frigates for Ukraine? Forget it.
1) On 27 February Turkey closed the Straits for warships. If you want a submarine or frigate for Ukraine to pass them, you will also reopen the Straits for russian warships - i.e. a the cruiser Varyag, which the russians 1/6
tried for months to get into the Black Sea as replacement for the Moskva. 2) and if you get Turkey to reopen the Straits, the russians will know EXACTLY when the Ukrainian ship passes & will be waiting with a fleet and fighters on the Black Sea side = good bye Ukrainian ship.
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3) yes, you can send ships over the RhineโMainโDanube Canal, if their draft is less than 4 meters and if they are not higher than 6 meters above the water line, or the first bridge will stop you... and you need Hungary (!) and Serbia (!!) to agree to let you use the Danube.
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British Army soldiers are some of the best in the world... but 90% of their equipment sucks!
I.e. the Warrior IFVs and Scimitar recon vehicles have ancient, unstabilized cannons that need to be reloaded BY HAND with 3 (!) round clips. 1/4
For decades the British governments refused to properly fund the army... and so British armoured formations use now mostly antiques:
FV432: 60 years old
CVR(T): 53 years
Warrior: 37 years
Only the Challenger 2 tank and AS-90 self-propelled howitzers are still acceptable...
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but both need urgently new turrets. The Challenger is getting one and the AS-90 turret is in production in Poland for the AHS Krab.
But as long as British governments refuse to finance the British Army properly, the army will have to continue shrinking personnel and equipment
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Earlier I posted a thread about how Abrams, Leopard & Challenger, and Bradley, Marder & CV90 combine with infantry and armored support vehicles during an combined arms attack.
As people asked about the supporting & sustainment elements of a combined arms attack I will do now
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a thread about these.
Please read my earlier thread before continuing with this one. Here I will give you a very rough overview of the elements an armored brigade or division staff has to plan, prepare and execute for a successful armored attack.
Soon Challenger 2, Leopard 2A5/6 and M1A1/2 Abrams will roam across the Ukrainian steppe to hunt and destroy russian armor.
All three are leagues better than what the russians field, but tanks on their own are useless. So, an easy to understand thread about combined arms ๐งต: 1/n
Western tanks like the M1A1/2 Abrams, Challenger 2, Leopard 2A5/6/7, Leclerc, Ariete AMV, Merkava IV, K2 Black Panther have way better armor than russian tanks.
An M1A2 Abrams is visibly larger than i.e. a T-72 or a T-80, and weighs (depending on model) 15-20 tons more. 2/n
That extra weight is mostly armor. russian tanks are not able to penetrate the front armor of modern Western tanks at distances of 2 km (because the armor is twice as thick as what russian APFSDS projectiles can penetrate).
Photo of a Strv 122 APFSDS training round, which 3/n
Before I continue: do you know how NATO 155mm howitzers work? If not, please read my earlier thread about the M777 howitzer.
Once you know how the M777 works (and what primer, fuzes, and charges are), then you will easily understand this thread.
The M109A6 Paladin is the sixth modification of the M109, which was introduced in 1963.
It's a good system, but AS-90, CAESAR, CAESAR 8x8, Archer, PzH 2000, AHS Krab, and Zuzana 2 are all better systems.
The Paladin still uses a 39 caliber barrel and thus has an 18 liter 3/n
People forget that all US M1A1 and M1A2 Abrams tanks in service with or stored by the US Army are filled with a ton of depleted uranium (DU).
Every Abrams built after 1 October 1988 has a DU mesh between its steel and ceramic armor plates. The US won't give those tanks to 1/4
anyone. The M1A1 without DU mesh were sold years ago to Australia, Iraq, Kuwait, Morocco & Saudi Arabia.
The problem is that the mesh is top secret. Not even the workers building the Abrams at the Lima Tank Plant get to see it. It comes from a classified government facility
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and is enclosed in steel (1st, 2nd generation) or carbon (3rd generation). Workers only insert the plates into the Abrams. Export Abrams are taken apart completely so that the DU mesh plates can be replaced by Tungsten plates... and that takes weeks.
I am sure the German
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