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Feb 7 6 tweets 3 min read
@aoalp As we discussed privately, Manhattan office supply and demand is more intriguing than it appears on the surface. While class B and C will convert to residential and thus reduce supply, class A gets even better positioned.
@aoalp And more residential physically locates people near the class A offices, where the high-paying jobs are. I’d be curious how many people are making six and seven figures working from home?
@aoalp The coup de grâce from Roth $VNO would be consolidating more class A office. This is an identical supply-demand and consolidation thesis to $RIG, funny enough. As I often note, both ultra-deepwater drillships and supertall towers have a newbuild cost of roughly $1 billion each.
@aoalp And a barrier-to-entry thesis, especially with a project like Penn.

What I would most like to see is further consolidation, ideally down to an oligopoly of four firms or less in Manhattan class A office, controlling perhaps 80% of properties.
@aoalp Another parallel that I see between #office and #offshore is that the true peaks occurred long ago; so far back that few people even remember when times were good. With office and $VNO, the big peak was actually 2007...
@aoalp While office had an interest-rate-driven rebound from '14-'17, thinking back to the colossal Zell-Blackstone deal is almost foreign today: $39 billion.

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Feb 7
@GrumpyBunnyCap "Psychological management" is just as important as "portfolio management"; I have seen countless examples of people who owned tremendous investments—but didn't hold them.

Almost comical examples, like guys who owned $AAPL in '02 but flipped for a $1 profit...
@GrumpyBunnyCap As mentioned in the podcast that I did, my own genre of mistakes has been companies like $MA, $V, $AXP, $BX, especially after the financial crisis. The mistake was not truly grasping the low risk versus solid compounding, and how rare that actually is...
@GrumpyBunnyCap It's always like there's got to be something better. "Why $MA, why right now?" That's actually the same pushback on $VNO today, and would have been for $MO during the '00s. The strength of them only comes out in hindsight...
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Feb 7
I view the analogy for $VNO today as $MO in 2000, when the latter traded for $5 per share at the peak of the dotcom bubble, and sold a product that likely was more hated then than today. That context was important, and its shares had been sliding into the market peak.
Figure, tons of people at that time had just made quick money from the "shitcos" of the era. Consider that context, and how unattractive it made $MO look. There was a serious question—as is expressed about office today—of whether the product would be phased out over time.
But then, from 2000 to 2002, all of those dotcom shitcos catastrophically went bust. By 2001, $MO had more than doubled in the face of that; a difficult challenge given the circumstances. I'm curious if we're watching a very similar setup unfold right now...
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Feb 5
While I'm the last person to be cavalier in a distressed environment, a variant perception is that I know that markets can turn faster than expected. That isn't included in the mainstream narrative on office...
The false assumption in the mainstream narrative is that the turning point will be knowable.

Ironically, who is closest to the market is $VNO itself, and they will react based on real-time prices.

It is an entry-level mistake: assuming that oneself is who gets the price signal, from a distance; and will coolly react by clicking a buy order, right on time. Instead of simply betting on the founder, it is trying to insert oneself into the decision-making...
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Jan 9
@MovSC16 I’d say part of the answer is that the peak was further back than even pre-Covid: during 2014-2017. So people are seeing a series of events; a long slump, the office crisis, rising interest rates, etc. That has drained positive sentiment completely…
@MovSC16 What’s incredible is that I see it from the exact same people who were wildly bullish at the peak. They are “Mr. Market”!

Ponder that, today, there are more people bullish on coal than Manhattan office, which absolutely was not the case only a few years ago…
@MovSC16 In effect, I’m the only person (that I’m aware of) pounding the table for Manhattan office. Yet, we’re talking about an asset—the skyscraper—which is synonymous with wealth…
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Jan 8
@MovSC16 Yes, what’s notable is that Congressman Buffett got the macro wrong; inflation ended and went into outright deflation by 1949! His son promptly moved to NYC where all the skyscrapers are. 😅 Image
@MovSC16 Incredibly, Warren Buffett was on the board of directors of Vornado during the 1970s!
@MovSC16 The saga began with Buffett, after which Steve Roth took over in 1980, liquidated the retail chain, and redeveloped the real estate:

sabercapitalmgt.com/a-1977-warren-…
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Jan 2
Crucial implications below for leveraged companies, such as $RIG and $VNO, which themselves strike me as having odd parallels... 👇
The cost of both ultra-deepwater drillships and supertall skyscrapers is each around a billion dollars. One extends to the ocean floor, while the other extends above the clouds. The barriers to entry are astoundingly high...
$VNO generally keeps around half of its mortgages floating-rate, and pulled that down to $2.3 billion in 2022. Interest rates dropping will be a lever for the equity...
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