Older Western tanks (i.e. Leopard 1, M60 Patton, K1, Merkava I/II) use rifled 105mm cannons, as do current Western fire support vehicles (Centauro, M1128 MGS, Type 16, Griffin II). 2/n
The only outliers to this rule (older tanks use 105mm rifled - modern tanks use 120mm smoothbore) are the British Army's Chieftain (left), Challenger 1, and Challenger 2 (right) tanks, which use 120mm rifled guns.
Rifled guns spin-stabilize projectiles, while smoothbore guns 3/n
use fin-stabilized projectiles. If you're are not familiar with these terms, please read my recent thread about the difference between rifeld and smoothbore barrels and the different types of projectile stabilization: 4/n
To understand why NATO began to use smoothbore barrels, we have to look at the three types of modern anti-tank ammunition, which are depicted in this photo of Leopard 1 anti-tank ammo:
โข APDS (superseded by APFSDS)
โข HEAT (the two rounds in the center)
โข HESH (or HEP) 5/n
HESH/HEP or High Explosive Squash Head/High Explosive Plastic rounds are not designed to penetrate armor. HESH rounds have a thin metal hull and are filled with a plastic explosive, which upon impact will be squashed against the enemy armor before being detonated by the fuze 6/n
located at the rear of the round. The detonation creates a shockwave that passes through the armor and creates supersonic metal spall (splinters) inside the enemy vehicle.
Left: impact outside the tank
Right: spalling inside the tank 7/n
It's the same physical principle as Newton's Cradle.
Due to their thin shells HESH rounds are fired at low muzzle velocities of 650-750m/s. HESH rounds are ideal for rifled guns as the spin-stabilization's centrifugal forces help create a more effective explosive patch. 8/n
HESH rounds are most effective against metal armor, but since the late Cold War armored vehicles use composite armor with layers of metal, plastics, and ceramics, and often also include spaced armor (= empty space between armor layers), which neutralizes HESH rounds. 9/n
Explosive reactive armor (ERA, i.e the bricks on this Ukrainian tank) also reduce the effectiveness of HESH. As all modern armored vehicles use spall liners HESH is now obsolete in tank warfare.
HESH is still used by Fire Support Vehicles to breach concrete obstacles. 10/n
HEAT or High Explosive Anti-Tank rounds use a explosively formed penetrator to defeat enemy armor.
This penetrator is formed by explosively collapsing a thin, conical, metal liner into a Mach 25 fast metal jet, which penetrates the armor.
This video compares HESH & HEAT. 11/n
HEAT rounds are less effective when fired from a rifled barrel as the spinning disperses the metal jet.
HEAT rounds are most effective when detonated at a specific distance to the target, hence the protruding tip with the trigger that makes HEAT rounds easy to recognize. 12/n
The larger the diameter of a HEAT round the deeper the penetration, but a larger diameter reduces the round's accuracy at longer distances.
HEAT rounds are also used in other short to medium range anti-tank weapons like PARM 2, Panzerfaust 3, Carl Gustaf, etc. 13/n
Slat armor, spaced armor, the ceramics and plastics in composite armor reduce the effectiveness of HEAT rounds, while explosive reactive armor almost always neutralizes them.
HEAT rounds can be fired from rifled barrels, but to be effective the explosion of the charge has to 14/n
impart an opposite spin on the jet. This can be achieved by the shape of the liner or by manipulating its crystalline structure.
Once the armor has been penetrated splinters and spall of the hypersonic jet will injure or kill the tank crew.
Photo: at the top HEAT impacts 15/n
This brings us to the most used and effective anti-tank munition:
Both consist of a sub-caliber kinetic energy penetrator surrounded by a sabot, which is propels the round through the barrel and is discarded once the round has left the barrel.
ASDS and APFSDS do not contain any explosive and their penetration energy comes from the firing 17/n
of the tank gun. This means higher muzzle velocities result in better effects on the target.
Rifled barrels (left) decrease muzzle velocity by 20-30% and require bigger charges to achieve the same kinetic energy as smoothbore barrels (right). Bigger charges increase wear. 18/n
In short: smoothbore guns punch harder & last longer.
With the Challenger 3 update the Challenger 2, the last Western tank with a rifled barrel, will receive a new turret with a 120mm/ L55 smoothbore barrel.
Btw. L55 is the length of the barrel: 120mm ร 55 = 6.6 meter. 19/n
The longer the barrel the longer and higher the peak pressure from the propellant, which results in higher velocities.
Kinetic energy penetrators exit smoothbore barrels at around Mach 5 (1,650-1,800 m/s - depending on barrel length, propellant, penetrator density & length) 20/n
Btw. never stand in front of a tank - the three discarded sabot pieces fly and are deadly for 200m. One sabot piece of the APFSDS round this Australian M1A1 just fired hit the ground in front of the tank. 21/n
Simplified: harder, longer, denser penetrates deeper and so all Western APFSDS penetrators are made from Depleted Uranium and Tungsten.
APFSDS training rounds, like the ones this Challenger 2 fires, are made from cheaper alloys and have a much reduced penetration power. 22/n
When an APFSDS round hits an enemy tank the armor and penetrator behave like fluids (I massively simplify the physics here) and the penetrator will "flow" through the armor.
Once the armor is penetrated splinters and spall will annihilate the tank crew. 23/n
russian tanks are defenseless against Western APFSDS rounds. Not even active protection systems can stop them.
However Western tanks have extremely dense armor, which will stop russian APFSDS rounds. (The denser the armor the easier to defeat APFSDS - hence the M1A2 Abrams 24/n
has layers of Depleted Uranium armor).
120mm smoothbore guns firing APFSDS are ideal to defeat tanks - 105mm rifled guns firing HESH & Anti-Personnel rounds are useful to support infantry & can ambush enemy tanks from the side with HEAT & APFSDS rounds (Photo: Leopard 1A5) 25/n
Therefore Leopard 1A5 are still very useful for Ukraine, as long as they are not used in frontal attacks against russian T-80 and T-90.
Challenger 2 tanks can defeat all russian tanks and are impenetrable to russian projectiles, as are Leopard 2A6 and M1A2 Abrams, whose 26/n
APFSDS rounds will penetrate the front armor and exit the rear of russian tanks.
Western tanks never miss due to their superb optics, gun stabilization & fire control systems, which automatically fire rounds in a ballistic curve to compensate for gravity as seen in this pic. 27/n
And in this video you see an M1A2 Abrams tank driving around the range as the gun stabilization keeps the gun aimed at the target no matter how the tank moves.
Western tanks are as superior to russian tanks, as an F-35 is superior to Mig-21.
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I created a short "PS" thread to address questions that came up in the comments to this thread. Check it out:
What does Trump's victory mean for NATO - listed from most certain to worst:
1) Operation Atlantic Resolve, which protects Eastern Europe since russia's invasion of Ukraine, will almost certainly end. 2) The only two US Army brigades in Europe (2nd Cavalry Regiment in ๐ฉ๐ช &
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173rd Airborne Brigade in ๐ฎ๐น๐ฉ๐ช) will very likely return to the US. 3) US Air Force units in Europe will likely be reduced, but I doubt Trump will close the bases... he needs them to bomb Iran. 4) US nuclear sharing with ๐ฉ๐ช๐ฎ๐น๐ณ๐ฑ๐ง๐ช๐น๐ท will likely end, leaving Europe without
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tactical nuclear weapons. 5) Trump could pull US officers and assets from NATO's command structure... which would cripple NATO commands like the Allied Air Command, Allied Land Command, Joint Forces Command Naples, etc. leaving NATO unable to command forces to fight a russian
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russia isn't a superpower.
Never was a superpower.
Got whooped by Japan in 1905, couldn't beat Austria-Hungary & was trashed by Germany in 1914-17, barely beat the Chechens in the 1990s.
The only time moscow led a superpower was post WWII, after the russians enslaved the
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people of Eastern Europe.
Once Poland, Romania, Czechia, Slovakia, Hungary, Bulgaria, Ukraine, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Moldova, Georgia, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan, Kyrgyzstan threw of their colonial oppressor, russia reverted
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back to a mid power. Economically weak, military crappy, politically shitty, culturally retarded.
putin's invasion of Ukraine was the first step in his plan to return russia to superpower status by colonizing russia's neighbours again.
1) embarrasses putin & weakens his position โ 2) forces russia to move troops from Donbas & Southern Ukraine to Kursk & Bryansk, which weakens russian's frontline in the South โ 3) forces russia to send fighters & helicopters forward
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to compensate for russia's lack of ground forces in Kursk, which gives Ukrainian anti-aircraft units ample opportunities to shoot down russian aircraft โ 4) Ukrainian troops continuously maneuvering / advancing, while disrupting russian communications through the use of EW,
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forces russian reinforcement convoys to loiter within GMLRS/ATACMS range, while russian officers try to figure out where Ukrainian forces are. Thus enabling Ukraine to strike the russians & cause mass casualty events โ 5) provides Ukraine with territory & POWs to trade โ
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The vicious online reaction to The Acolyte shows, that right-wing "media critics" are film-illiterate grifters, who latch onto even the most minuscule line to disparage each episode. All to confirm their delusion that media involving #LGBTQ & colored 1/5
creators are an attack on the "white male", who they pretend to be the true arbiter of "culture".
@Lucasfilm even gave a hint in the first line of the first trailer that this is a #Rashomon style story. This didn't stop these "critics" to complete lose it after the first 2/5
flashback episode, which is a child's viewpoint.
Disney's third trailer showed us that what we saw in the child's flashback (left image) isn't, what actually happened (right image).
The Acolyte is by no means as good as #Andor (which is an anti-fascist masterpiece), but 3/5
1ร frigate
1ร submarine
1ร oiler
1ร tug to tow the above home when they break down
The russian ships were shadowed by:
๐บ๐ธLos Angeles-class attack submarine USS Helena
๐บ๐ธArleigh Burke-class destroyers USS Donald Cook & USS Truxtun
๐จ๐ฆHalifax-class frigate HMCS Ville de Quรฉbec 1/2
๐บ๐ธLegend-class cutter USCGC Stone
๐บ๐ธ1ร P-8A Poseidon maritime patrol aircraft
And in case the russians would have done something funny: there are some additional 50+ P-8A Poseidon at Naval Air Station Jacksonville, which is also home to the 159th Fighter Squadron, which 2/5
flies F-35A & at Homestead Air Reserve Base the 93rd & 367th Fighter Squadrons fly F-16C/D Block 30 Falcons, at Tyndall Air Force Base the 43rd & 301st Fighter Squadrons fly F-22A Raptors, while the 95th Fighter Squadron flies F-35A Lightning.
For 20 years war criminals from Karabakh had Armenia in their iron grip. In 2018 they were forced by the people to allow free elections and the democratic opposition won 70% of the vote, while the Karabakh criminals' party lost 90% of its votes and did not enter parliament.
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Aftet the disastrous defeat in the 2nd Karabakh war, the Karabakh clans demanded a snap elections, got it, and were crushed again with the democratic and pro-peace forces of Pashinyan receiving 54% and the two let's-have-more-Karabakh-wars parties at 26%.
Now, as Pashinyan is
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negotiating a peace treaty with Azerbaijan, the same Karabakh clans try to overthrow the government with street protests led by a bishop, who is for issuing ridiculous ultimatums.
The deranged Armenian diaspora is hyping up the bishop and protest, and theu are salivating at
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