Older Western tanks (i.e. Leopard 1, M60 Patton, K1, Merkava I/II) use rifled 105mm cannons, as do current Western fire support vehicles (Centauro, M1128 MGS, Type 16, Griffin II). 2/n
The only outliers to this rule (older tanks use 105mm rifled - modern tanks use 120mm smoothbore) are the British Army's Chieftain (left), Challenger 1, and Challenger 2 (right) tanks, which use 120mm rifled guns.
Rifled guns spin-stabilize projectiles, while smoothbore guns 3/n
use fin-stabilized projectiles. If you're are not familiar with these terms, please read my recent thread about the difference between rifeld and smoothbore barrels and the different types of projectile stabilization: 4/n
To understand why NATO began to use smoothbore barrels, we have to look at the three types of modern anti-tank ammunition, which are depicted in this photo of Leopard 1 anti-tank ammo:
• APDS (superseded by APFSDS)
• HEAT (the two rounds in the center)
• HESH (or HEP) 5/n
HESH/HEP or High Explosive Squash Head/High Explosive Plastic rounds are not designed to penetrate armor. HESH rounds have a thin metal hull and are filled with a plastic explosive, which upon impact will be squashed against the enemy armor before being detonated by the fuze 6/n
located at the rear of the round. The detonation creates a shockwave that passes through the armor and creates supersonic metal spall (splinters) inside the enemy vehicle.
Left: impact outside the tank
Right: spalling inside the tank 7/n
It's the same physical principle as Newton's Cradle.
Due to their thin shells HESH rounds are fired at low muzzle velocities of 650-750m/s. HESH rounds are ideal for rifled guns as the spin-stabilization's centrifugal forces help create a more effective explosive patch. 8/n
HESH rounds are most effective against metal armor, but since the late Cold War armored vehicles use composite armor with layers of metal, plastics, and ceramics, and often also include spaced armor (= empty space between armor layers), which neutralizes HESH rounds. 9/n
Explosive reactive armor (ERA, i.e the bricks on this Ukrainian tank) also reduce the effectiveness of HESH. As all modern armored vehicles use spall liners HESH is now obsolete in tank warfare.
HESH is still used by Fire Support Vehicles to breach concrete obstacles. 10/n
HEAT or High Explosive Anti-Tank rounds use a explosively formed penetrator to defeat enemy armor.
This penetrator is formed by explosively collapsing a thin, conical, metal liner into a Mach 25 fast metal jet, which penetrates the armor.
This video compares HESH & HEAT. 11/n
HEAT rounds are less effective when fired from a rifled barrel as the spinning disperses the metal jet.
HEAT rounds are most effective when detonated at a specific distance to the target, hence the protruding tip with the trigger that makes HEAT rounds easy to recognize. 12/n
The larger the diameter of a HEAT round the deeper the penetration, but a larger diameter reduces the round's accuracy at longer distances.
HEAT rounds are also used in other short to medium range anti-tank weapons like PARM 2, Panzerfaust 3, Carl Gustaf, etc. 13/n
Slat armor, spaced armor, the ceramics and plastics in composite armor reduce the effectiveness of HEAT rounds, while explosive reactive armor almost always neutralizes them.
HEAT rounds can be fired from rifled barrels, but to be effective the explosion of the charge has to 14/n
impart an opposite spin on the jet. This can be achieved by the shape of the liner or by manipulating its crystalline structure.
Once the armor has been penetrated splinters and spall of the hypersonic jet will injure or kill the tank crew.
Photo: at the top HEAT impacts 15/n
This brings us to the most used and effective anti-tank munition:
Both consist of a sub-caliber kinetic energy penetrator surrounded by a sabot, which is propels the round through the barrel and is discarded once the round has left the barrel.
ASDS and APFSDS do not contain any explosive and their penetration energy comes from the firing 17/n
of the tank gun. This means higher muzzle velocities result in better effects on the target.
Rifled barrels (left) decrease muzzle velocity by 20-30% and require bigger charges to achieve the same kinetic energy as smoothbore barrels (right). Bigger charges increase wear. 18/n
In short: smoothbore guns punch harder & last longer.
With the Challenger 3 update the Challenger 2, the last Western tank with a rifled barrel, will receive a new turret with a 120mm/ L55 smoothbore barrel.
Btw. L55 is the length of the barrel: 120mm × 55 = 6.6 meter. 19/n
The longer the barrel the longer and higher the peak pressure from the propellant, which results in higher velocities.
Kinetic energy penetrators exit smoothbore barrels at around Mach 5 (1,650-1,800 m/s - depending on barrel length, propellant, penetrator density & length) 20/n
Btw. never stand in front of a tank - the three discarded sabot pieces fly and are deadly for 200m. One sabot piece of the APFSDS round this Australian M1A1 just fired hit the ground in front of the tank. 21/n
Simplified: harder, longer, denser penetrates deeper and so all Western APFSDS penetrators are made from Depleted Uranium and Tungsten.
APFSDS training rounds, like the ones this Challenger 2 fires, are made from cheaper alloys and have a much reduced penetration power. 22/n
When an APFSDS round hits an enemy tank the armor and penetrator behave like fluids (I massively simplify the physics here) and the penetrator will "flow" through the armor.
Once the armor is penetrated splinters and spall will annihilate the tank crew. 23/n
russian tanks are defenseless against Western APFSDS rounds. Not even active protection systems can stop them.
However Western tanks have extremely dense armor, which will stop russian APFSDS rounds. (The denser the armor the easier to defeat APFSDS - hence the M1A2 Abrams 24/n
has layers of Depleted Uranium armor).
120mm smoothbore guns firing APFSDS are ideal to defeat tanks - 105mm rifled guns firing HESH & Anti-Personnel rounds are useful to support infantry & can ambush enemy tanks from the side with HEAT & APFSDS rounds (Photo: Leopard 1A5) 25/n
Therefore Leopard 1A5 are still very useful for Ukraine, as long as they are not used in frontal attacks against russian T-80 and T-90.
Challenger 2 tanks can defeat all russian tanks and are impenetrable to russian projectiles, as are Leopard 2A6 and M1A2 Abrams, whose 26/n
APFSDS rounds will penetrate the front armor and exit the rear of russian tanks.
Western tanks never miss due to their superb optics, gun stabilization & fire control systems, which automatically fire rounds in a ballistic curve to compensate for gravity as seen in this pic. 27/n
And in this video you see an M1A2 Abrams tank driving around the range as the gun stabilization keeps the gun aimed at the target no matter how the tank moves.
Western tanks are as superior to russian tanks, as an F-35 is superior to Mig-21.
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I created a short "PS" thread to address questions that came up in the comments to this thread. Check it out:
International Law is worthless paper if you cannot and will not back it up with military power.
Dictators do not care for international law. But they fear the US Air Force. The moment the US signaled it would no longer back "international law" putin annexed Crimea and Assad
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gassed his people. International Law is what defence laggards hide behind to not have to spend for their own security (hoping the US will save them from their irresponsibility) .
European politicians like to grandstand about "international law" but NO European nation has the
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the means (nor the will) to the enforce it. European politicians grandstanding about international law always do so in the belief that the US will enforce their balderdash.
So European politicians lecturing the US about "international law" now are utter morons, because they
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All this "NATO is unprepared for the use of drones like the war in Ukraine" is ridiculous, because:
• of course NATO is unprepared for the use of drones like the war IN (!) Ukraine,
• because that is not how a NATO-russia war will be fought. NATO, even just European NATO,
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fields: 244 F-35, 403 Eurofighter, 183 Rafale, 177 modern F-16, 3 Gripen E, and 896 older fighter types.
A total of 1,906+ fighters (without the US Air Force and Royal Canadian Air Force; and with more new fighters entering European service every week).
russia, when counting
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generously can't even put half that fighter strength into the field, and the 1,010 modern European NATO fighters would devastate russia's fighter force.
With NATO air supremacy comes absolute dominance of the battlefield. Every russian moving near the front would get bombed
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Gripen fans keep hyping the Gripen with fake claims & as long as they do, I will counter them:
Scandinavian Air Force officer about the Gripen E: It can either be fully fueled or fully armed or flown from short runways. Never can 2 of these things be done at the same time.
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The Gripen fans keep claiming that the Gripen has a better range than the F-35 and can fly from short runways... then admit that its max. range can only be achieved with external fuel tanks, which weigh so much that the Gripen E can no longer fly from short runways.
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External fuel tanks also mean: the Gripen becomes slower, the radar cross section increases (making detection more likely), the fuel consumption increases,... and even with all 3 external fuel tanks the Gripen E carries 1,340 kg less fuel than the F-35A carries internally.
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Gripen fans continue to spam my mention with claims how fantastic Sweden's Bas 90 and Gripen combination is... and that it would work for Canada's North too...
Ok, let's quickly compare Canada's three northern territories (Yukon, Northwest, Nunavut) and Sweden... ... 1/6
Land area:
🇸🇪 450,295 km2 (173,860 sq mi)
🇨🇦 terr.: 3,593,589 km2 (173,860 sq mi)
The land area of just the three territories (without Canada's 10 provinces) is already 8 times bigger than all of Sweden...
(In total Canada's land area is 9,984,670 km2
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(3,855,100 sq mi) or 22 times Sweden).
Population:
🇸🇪 10.61 million
🇨🇦 terr.: 0.13 million
Sweden's population is 81.6 times bigger than that of the three territories... and if you look at population density:
🇸🇪 23,6/km2
🇨🇦 terr.: 0,013/km2
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Saab loooves to tout the claim that the Gripen can "operate from dispersed air bases".
They do that, because they know no one of you knows what it means. And every time I see someone regurgite "dispersed air bases" (or "road runways" or "short runways") I know I am dealing
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with someone, who knows absolutely nothing about the topic.
So allow me to take you on a deep dive into what "operating from dispersed air bases" actually means.
Let's start with Såtenäs Air Base in Southern Sweden - the most important Swedish air base. 2/n
When the Viggen entered service, Såtenäs received it first.
When the Gripen entered service, Såtenäs received it first.
When the Gripen E entered service, Såtenäs received it first.
In the 1950s Sweden developed the Bas 60 system, which would have dispersed the Swedish 3/n
The 11th Airborne Division is the least likely to be used to invade #Greenland.
The division's deputy commander is Canadian. He is responsible for Operations. The 11th would have to arrest part of their own officers, before being able to plan a Greenland invasion.
Also
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there are just 8 C-17 Globemaster aircraft at Elmendorf Air Force Base. The USAF would need to fly a dozen more up to Alaska, which of course Canada would notice. Then to reach Greenland the C-17 would have to cross Canada's North, which NORAD's Canadian officers would report
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to the Canadian and Danish governments.
It is much more likely the US will inform allies that a brigade of the 82nd Airborne Division at Fort Bragg will fly to the Middle East, which means the air route will take them right over Greenland. And at Fort Bragg you also have the
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