"We would never presume to tell another church whom they may call as a pastor..." --Al Mohler
"We don’t have the right, the authority or the power to limit anybody... It is a statement of what most of us believe." -- Adrian Rogers
From the Baltimore Sun, the same day.
And from the Orlando Sentinel.
This is, of course, a year or two before the CBF was driven out of the SBC. College Park Baptist Church was itself disfellowshipped from the SBC in 2021.
And from the New York Times.
"Individual Southern Baptists and the faith's 42,000 congregations would remain free to ordain women and hire them as pastors."
Paige Patterson: the BFM2K is "not a creed," only something "generally believed," and he would still be in fellowship with someone who only affirmed the BFM1968
The Executive Committee in 2000, saying the new BFM would not be used "in a new way" "to coerce," but that it was only a "consensus of opinion."
In 2001, three NAMB employees resigned rather than affirm the BFM 2000.
Martin King, NAMB’s director of convention relations, said this, to explain how NAMB had a right to require its employees to affirm the BFM -- even though churches were free from that expectation.
November 2000 -- John Sullivan had this to say as the Florida Baptist Convention adopted the BFM2000.
The Tennessee Baptist Convention didn't even adopt the BFM2000, they just “acknowledge” the BFM “as a source of information in assisting believers to express their faith.”
November 2000 -- the Arkansas Baptist State Convention actually *shot down* adoption of the BFM2000 at first, and the floor discussion was over ways this new document might be used as a "litmus test."
This from Bill Merrell, vice president for convention relations with the SBC Executive Committee, responding to First Baptist of Oklahoma City leaving the SBC over the BFM2000 in 2001:
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Last night I went full Detective Mode hyperfocus, and found ten different quotations from 2000-2004 about how the BFM was *not* meant to be binding on individual SBC congregations. (See 🧵below)
What's interesting is: I got to see how that mentality evolved over 20 years.
Baptists have prided themselves on not being "credal," and however you feel about that, it's historical fact that our belief in "soul competency" causes Baptists to approach creeds and confessions with more trepidation that other denominations do.
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Thus, from the 60s into the 90s, the SBC's belief was still that a denomination's central confession *cannot* serve as a parameter for cooperation, but only a guideline of consensus.
"Observe, if you will, this church website. You can see the non-denominational name, a mere mish-mash of random Christianese. And yet, read that Statement of Faith. Hmm! Word-for-Word copied from the New Hampshire Confession of 1833. What do you make of this church, Watson?"
"Inspector Gregory, let me recommend to your attention the curious incident of the women in the 'Leadership' section of the church website."
"But no women are listed in the 'Leadership' section."
"That is the curious incident," remarked Sherlock Holmes.
"How often have I said that when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth? We know this church has no bishop. We can see its elder board is a mere formality. What, then, is its polity? It must be congregationalist, dear fellow."
For the most part, Christians completely agree about what Christians should do after they sin.
And to a large extent, beyond the core basics that hopefully nobody disputes, Christians have a wide range of opinions about which modern actions might or might not be "sin."
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This means that almost certainly, some Christians are sinning but honestly do not think what they are doing is a sin. In fact, all Christians might be doing that on SOME issue, no?
What happens to Christians who are unknowingly sinning -- who might NEVER know?
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I think, if we sit with that question, and with passages like 2 Kings 22 and Luke 12:47-48, it will produce in us:
--Caution regarding the certainty of our own correctness
--A trust in who Christ is, not our own rightness
--A attitude of humility and continual contrition
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The kids are watching a movie adaptation of Pilgrim's Progress with Kristyn Getty as the narrator.
Interesting expansions they're giving the story, but... his name is "Christian Pilgrim" before he converts? I remember it was canon that his name was Graceless at first.
Hey! "Evangelist" is definitely voiced by Gimli!
I wonder if they'll do the entire Pilgrim's Progress Cinematic Universe. Because there's Christiana's journey with Greatheart, there's Nathaniel Hawthorne's unauthorized sequel with the Celestial Railroad...
Okay, here we go. Lost at least two — looks like the rubber cork eventually failed, letting most of the wine leak or evaporate out. The wine inside these two smells, not quite vinegar, but not palatable.
“Tempest Red” was my second batch made from Welch’s frozen concentrate. (Yes, you can do that, because they don’t add sulfites to the frozen stuff. Can’t do that with bottled juice, your yeast will die.)
Shall we uncork it?
It hissed a little as I uncorked it. (This is not a sparkling wine.) Hmm.
Color is… a little odd.
Aroma is inoffensive. Smells kinda like wine, with notes of rubber cork.