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Mar 3, 2023 17 tweets 8 min read Read on X
there's been a lot of breathless praise and superlative descriptions for loro piana, given their latest FW23 presentation and media blitz. so i thought i'd share these photos from my friend @Beijing1980, who pointed out to me the ways in which Loro Piana's quality has declined 🧵
LVMH acquired Loro Piana in 2013 for $2.57 billion. @Beijing1980 happens to have two versions of the company's storm system cashmere Roadster jacket: the blue one was bought 15 years ago (pre-LVMH); the tan one was bought in October 2022 (made under LVMH)
i think a lot of people think of quality in terms of the softness of the material or the straightness of the seams. unless you're buying fast fashion, the seams on almost any garment are going to be straight. quality is more about design elements.
changing design elements allows a company to save time, labor, and material during the production process (and thus scrimp back on "quality" to increase profits). so this is a look at how various design elements have been changed pre- and post-LVMH acquisition.
the chest pocket on the old Roadster has an open corner. on the new version, it has been sewn shut, saving the company a little time during the production process.
the old jacket has two inside right pockets, which have been set into applied cashmere. on the new version, there is just a single pocket set into the lining (although made with leather trim).
when you set the internal pocket into the cashmere in this way, it's easier to repair. if the wearer ever accidentally rips the internal pocket, you only have to replace that little bit of cashmere, not the entire lining. relining a jacket is $$$ and u lose the original material
the inside left pocket is also set into applied cashmere. there are again two pockets, one being an "anti-radiation" pocket for smartphones. the new version has just one pocket set into the lining.
the old version has a reverse box pleated lining to allow for more movement. on the new version, the lining is just flat. this not only saves on time and labor, but also material.
old version has double cuffs. new version has just a simple round cuff. (personally, i thought this change was the most surprising)
i dont have photos showing this, but @Beijing1980 also noted that the old jacket has double entry pockets (where you can put your hands in from the top or side), while the new version just has top entry.
@Beijing1980 says the one improvement is the applied suede under the pocket flap. i showed these photos to a bespoke tailor last night and he added that it's a nice detail, but just decorative. if LP wanted to make it functional, they'd add suede trim along the pocket's top edge
a suede trim would prevent the edge of the pocket from fraying. this is useful for pockets made from delicate materials, such as cashmere, since you're constantly taking your hands in and out.
you can see this detail on the bespoke Loro Piana cashmere-silk sport coat @Beijing1980 made for his company (IG atelier_brio_pechino).

(the tailor i spoke with last night doesn't work for @Beijing1980)
IMO, this is just a typical playbook move for LVMH: cut corners, raise prices, mass produce. their Open Walks were once a fun, casual shoe for $400. now they charge over $1,000 for glued footwear. their ad is just status anxiety nonsense
over the years, ive come to feel that real luxury is produced by teeny tiny artisanal companies, often run by just one maker and a small team of highly skilled craftspeople. these are not well-known luxury names, but wonderful if you appreciate craft.
im currently working on a series about how the best bespoke shoes aren't made by the big West End firms, but indie operations run by the lastmaker. i obvs also think my friend @Beijing1980 does incredible work at his company (IG atelier_brio_pechino)

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May 1
I respectfully disagree. This sort of outfit can be beautiful, but it has to be done well.

IMO, the problem with Vance's outfit — along with many others — is that the work has been influenced by fashion designers, rather than tailors.

Let me show you. 🧵
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White tie is true formalwear. It differs from black tie primarily in how it requires a long tailcoat (black tie originated when men cut the tails off their coats to create a more casual garment for dinner). Also requires a white waistcoat, white tie, and wing collar. Image
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Apr 30
If you're interested in bespoke tailoring and based in the United States, I have some trunk show announcements to share with you. Since Twitter recently changed their formatting options, I will be doing this as a thread. 🧵
Matthew Gonzalez

There's a long history of cross-border influence and immigration in tailoring, but as far as I know, Matthew Gonzalez is the first American to operate under his own banner on Savile Row. Born and raised in Southern California, he moved to London about twenty years ago to pursue a degree in bespoke tailoring from the London College of Fashion. Thereafter, he climbed the ranks — moving from undercutter at Thom Sweeney to cutter at Dunhill and eventually Huntsman, where he achieved his longtime goal of cutting on Savile Row.

Today, he runs his own firm, where he merges his California sensibility with his training in British bespoke craftsmanship. He recently told me he admires a photo of JFK staring out of a window. The President dressed in a dark worsted suit, white button-up shirt, and dark silk necktie, but everything about the photo looks very casual and relaxed. This, he told me, is what American style means to him.

Gonzalez cuts suits and sport coats inspired by that mid-century American tailoring, although he's adamant about not wanting the clothes to look like historical costumes. Thus, while the jackets have a soft, natural shoulder line, he sticks with front darts and prefers side vents (rather than the dartless front and hook vent characteristic of Ivy Style). The lapels have a moderate width and minimal belly (the curve sometimes distinguishing an older style of British tailoring). The garments are designed so they can be teamed with a dress shirt and tie, or something more casual such as a chambray button-up.

Given Gonzalez's penchant for slightly more relaxed, casual attire, it's no surprise that he also offers made-to-measure suede jackets, wool-cashmere shawl collar cardigans, and denim Western shirts (made without the contrast stitching, so they look more at home with tailoring). He's also one of the few bespoke tailors I've met who "gets it" when it comes to the polo coat, arguably the most iconic of American overcoat styles. Gonzalez tells me he thinks a polo coat should have letter box patch pockets, a half belt, gauntlet cuffs, an inverted back pleat, and a center button vent. But crucially, he also thinks the split-sleeves should be made with a lapped seam. To my eye, this makes the garment more casual and sporty—truer to its original roots—and allows the tailor to shape the sleevehead.

Consider Gonzalez if you share the same sensibilities: a love for classic American tailoring, but a suspicion of styles that are too anachronistic, and a bias towards clothes that feel more relaxed and casual. The point about Gonzalez using a split-sleeve with a lapped seam demonstrates that he takes care of details that may not occur to a client, but will be appreciated years down the road.Image
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Taillour is one of the few exceptions. Co-founder and head cutter Fred Nieddu has worked in the bespoke tailoring industry for decades, cutting for firms such as Thom Sweeney and even teaching pattern drafting courses at the London College of Fashion. A good percentage of his current workload involves making clothes for films and TV shows. In fact, you may have seen his creations. He made all the menswear for the Netflix series The Crown, the suits in the film The Phoenician Scheme, and one of the colorful costumes for Wonka. Given this experience, he's more flexible than most tailors regarding what he's willing and able to make.

Still, I think it's always a good idea to stay close to the house style. I think of Taillour's house style as very soft but architectural in its lines. Nieddu uses a full body canvas and only a bit of laptair near the wearer's collar bone to prevent the jacket from sinking. The shoulders are minimally padded, giving the garments a very light feel. While Neapolitan tailors are known for a similar construction, Taillour's jackets have a bit more room and shape. The shoulder line is very straight, and the chest is slightly full. When combined with those characteristically straight lapels and larger jacket collar, I find Taillour's jackets have an angular appearance reminiscent of Apparel Arts drawings.

Consider Nieddu if you want a tailor who's a bit more flexible in terms of what they're willing to make (although, again, I recommend tweaking at the margins, not bringing in a photo of something and asking for it to be copied). He has also made clothes for women, which will be useful if you're looking for someone who can make a women's suit, sport coat, or overcoat.Image
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Summer is around the corner and soon you'll read a bunch of tweets about how every man should have a pair of loafers.

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Instead, let's start at the beginning.
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