2/ Let's further point out we could demonstrate it over three lines of evidence: observational (epi), interventional (Rx), and genetic (🧬)
Epi: When randomly grabbing a large population of Americans, we find those who generally weigh more generally have higher BP ✅
3/ Rx -- interventions that generally reduce weight, also generally reduce BP ✅
And lastly, 🧬 -- most genes that associate with lower weight will generally have lower BP ✅
Now obviously we have more advanced tools these days than weight scales and BP cuffs...
4/ You are probably predicting the problem...
Most Americans have higher weight due to poor metabolic health (more total & visceral overall)
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But a much smaller % of the population have higher weight due to more muscle mass and low fat (athletes, body builders). 🟩
5/ But if we're lumping them all together (ungrouped)...
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... Then it is deceptively suggesting *everyone* with higher weight will have higher BP and thus should take steps to lose weight (even the athlete / body builders)
6/ Simpson's Paradox is really just pointing out that not only does the effort in grouping these data often tell us a different story - it can actually result in the *opposite* story.
Like in this example -- the athletes may well have lower BP than even the avg weight population
7/ My concern in lumping remnants with LDL under their shared ApoB is the potential for this very phenomenon.
I think it's crucial to consider how much metabolic health can impact both the lipid profile and ASCVD risk independently. (Hence the value of our #LMHRstudy, ofc)
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1/4 "also is the LEM (Lipid Energy Model) mutually exclusive with high LDL being atherogenic?"
Yes and no.
Yes -- in that the two should be treated as separate questions. It may well be that LEM is true, yet high LDL is independently atherogenetic and vice versa.
2/4 No -- in that it was actually metabolic dynamics having an impact on lipid profiles that led me down the road we're at now.
Function vs dysfunction (or successful regulation vs unsuccessful regulation) having an upstream impact on lipid levels should be strongly considered.
3/4 But currently, it is assumed these influences are either irrelevant or the impact known -- at least to the extent that it is commonly assumed high LDL is pathogenic in every context (hence, little need to prospectively study metabolically healthy populations with high LDL)
1/ Got lots of pings on this one (including from @theproof)
But it's worth unpacking just how many variables are in play and why I obsess so much about controlling for them when the shifts are relatively small...
2/ If you're just tuning in, I've done over 50 experiments with many of them hypercontrolled (like below) where I literally eat to an exact meal plan with exact timing, have nearly identical exercise, and try to sync sleep schedule as best as possible. cholesterolcode.com/the-oxldl-repl…
3/ It's because I know there's already a lot of things that can alter lipid levels even in the very short term. Not just days, but *hours*.
Check out this prelim data where I was testing 6 times over each day. And these are the means of the last 3 days...
1/2 Example 1:
🚬 Imagine if the average person from the moment they're born were taught to be 2 pack a day smoker.
⛔️ Now imagine a fraction were born into families that were 0 pack a day smokers.
Would we expect that latter group to have greater longevity than the former?
2/2 Example 2:
Now imagine most people averaged 100 #LDL cholesterol over their lifetime.
But a fraction were born with a genetic mutation that kept their average at 20.
Would we expect that latter group to have greater longevity?
If genetically low LDL/ApoB had universally a net benefit -- this would be strong evidence that indeed this particle is pathogenic -- which is to say, disease-causing overall (not just atherogenic)
But does existing genetic data support this hypothesis? Is there clear longevity?
For those who've followed my work and know where I'm coming from, WHY would I fully expect LDL-TG (triglyceride content per LDL particle) to closely associate with atherosclerosis?
For example, I’ve known many who are into fitness (or just now getting into it) that are seeing better results on PE.
To be sure, that’s anecdotal, and it’s hard to know for sure if they were getting adequate protein in the first place…
… conversely, I’ve also seen a kind of resurgence in people discovering KetoAF after struggling with various versions of keto (high protein or not). Many have health challenges, with many of those preventing their being fitness-centric. (Thus, confounder + cofounder potentially)