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Mar 10 9 tweets 4 min read
I'll be straight up with y'all, #NAFO, since you stood up by me with Kim Dotcom, Parmesan & Andy K:

You know why I'm so contemptuous of an "attack" from a few #MAGA idiots?

Because that's not a credible attack on NAFO.

This is.

(🧵)

The most recurrent attacks on NAFO, the really strategic ones, aren't randos insulting us or claiming we're CIA bots.

They're strategic disinfo adversaries who try to paint us as racists or Nazis, because they appreciate the danger we pose.
This form of attack has historically come from leftists.

Again, I'd bring up the way that #Brie went about it.

Not only would, say, an Ann Coulter probably be too stupid to think of that, they wouldn't be positioned to do that.
This form of attack is also why I've taken pains to emphasize some of the innately positive things that NAFO does, not just in terms of its core missions of bonking disinfo and fundraising for Ukraine, but also in the way that members support each other.

The biggest danger we face is not direct attack as a leaderless oppositional movement.

It's co-optation; it's people distracting the movement, or turning it away from its core missions, or making it discredit itself and push people away.

This is probably happening already.
However, while co-opting a movement is historically one of the best solutions for an entrenched powerful entity to oppose it... NAFO isn't exactly any kind of typical movement, not by a long shot.

There are aspects of identity, and play, that make it unique for starters.
The playful yet immensely serious way that NAFO acts makes it hard to co-opt.

Remember, this is all in a paradigm of positional attack and defense, where adversaries try to position us as racist or warmongers, and themselves as righteously sanctimonious voices in the wilderness.
And the whole time this is happening, like... #megathread is still going. Those "Vatnik Soup" threads are still going; so are those *amazing* Gruby the cat memes. And people are still supporting each other, and Ukraine.

Community health is the metric that matters, not agreement.
When our current "f**k with MAGA idiots" fad has passed, and we're onto our next thing, and the next thing...

That's what's going to keep NAFO a force to be reckoned with.

Not the things we say or the enemies we choose; how we help each other.

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Mar 10
Honestly the furry thing hasn't ever been there in NAFO - I'd have been slightly alarmed if it was - but, like

I'm not sure that's the slur they wanna use Image
To be clear, I'm not insinuating or even joking that there's anything weird about furries, as such.

It's totally not my thing to judge other people's weirdnesses. Do you.

What's alarming about it is how it's associated with alt-right Trumpism.

thetab.com/us/2017/03/16/…
Anyway, here's a Duffelblog headline that'll probably trigger them pretty badly

Keep in mind, again: these are not people who have bullshit filters, or else they wouldn't be Trumpists

If you don't tell them it's a joke, they're going to believe it.

duffelblog.com/p/army-uniform…
Read 5 tweets
Mar 9
When you talk with MAGAts in Year 7 of Life Since Trump, you are talk with someone with a sometimes pathological lack of ability to distinguish manipulative bullshit from reality.

This separation from reality is alienation, in the Marxist sense.

It's worth looking at.

(🧵)
A recurrent problem in the discussion of "follower" and conformist types is that there's this kind of assumption that you, o gentle reader, as well as me, are somehow immune to it and above it.

I don't think that's a productive starting point.

Let's start somewhere familiar.
This is the most basic example of the kind of logical errors that authoritarian followers make, and you can get a feel for it in NAFO terms like this:

If you say "Vatniks are THE WORST!" and also "Tankies are THE WORST!", then you've uttered a logically inconsistent proposition.
Read 5 tweets
Mar 8
The MAGA set picking a fight with NAFO isn't a well-connected or important one, and the suspensions you've earned are scaring them.

It'll be a little weird if you're used to arguing with tankies. They actually think they're being patriotic.

It's easier than you think, though.
A critical aspect of Trumpist fiction, also reflected in QAnon, is the idea that Trump supporters are somehow aligned with a kind of alternate, patriotic Trumpist deep state.

It probably occurs to precisely no one that that is ACTUALLY what NAFO is :)
The central conceit you will encounter is that because they are white, and make Republican noises, that the Trumpers you encounter will have more of a right to make patriotic noises.

The thing is, patriotism is about deeds, not words.
Read 6 tweets
Mar 8
I was wondering where I remembered Matt Couch from.

April 5 2022, I got a tip: an American outlet claiming that Mariupol was being attacked by Ukrainians, not Russians.

That is unusually brazen considering it's, you know... Mariupol.

Guess who founded the site pushing that.
Matt Couch is also somewhat of an insurrectionist, if giving a speech at January 6th before, you know... the insurrection... counts, at all.

Because everything is forever on the Internet, this is all, of course, still there.
web.archive.org/web/2021010503…
In another sign of how small a world it is, I know this person. She's in a Republican Facebook group I'm in.

Dave Nalle, rest in peace, one of the last Republicans I can recall who actually walked the walk in terms of allowing dissent, invited me; he ran the org she worked for.
Read 9 tweets
Mar 8
On March 8th, the Senate Foreign Relations Committee will vote on the ambassadorship of the former mayor of Los Angeles, Eric Garcetti.

Garcetti appears to have broken the law and lied to the Senate at his confirmation hearing about knowingly enabling years of abuse.
Garcetti claims that he didn't know about the abuse, and that if he did, he'd have done something.

Both claims are facially absurd. Whistleblowers have come forward with evidence and testimony showing Jacobs' sexual abuse and Garcetti's knowledge.

salon.com/2022/11/30/la-…
Willful blindness to wrongdoing characterizes other aspects of Garcetti's administration, like convicted LA Department of Water & Power executives David Wright and David Alexander.

latimes.com/california/sto…

justice.gov/usao-cdca/pr/f…
Read 9 tweets
Mar 7
There's three basic mistakes we're seeing Trump supporters make with NAFO.

One: they think they can drown out NAFO numbers.

They aren't there. Given what we know today about Russian influence efforts, echo chambers and bots, they really never were.

(🧵)
Two, MAGA folk think that sanctimony works - as in, acting as if they are morally superior to their opponents, arrogating to themselves the right to judge everyone.

This was a workable con with an incumbent con man POTUS selling it; less so with a marginal twice-impeached one.
Three, Trump supporters accustomed to echo chambers where they can basically ask for the manager if they see anything they don't agree with, think they can out-troll a largely anonymous army of self-declared brain-damaged cartoon dogs.

That's... that's not going to work.
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