Thread by @planefag

whatever will the United States of America do without *checks notes* shoulder-fired missiles? Maybe we can make do with those strike fighters, main battle tanks, IFVs, attack helicopters and EVERYTHING ELSE WE FUCKING OWN

https://twitter.com/smcroasters/status/1637973424759816192

Just forgot about the F-35 being a thing that exists now? Or do you seriously believe *anyone* can actually challenge US air superiority? Either way, you are illustrating why you, and everyone else who makes these arguments needs to stop doing it.

Now.

https://twitter.com/smcroasters/status/1637978496671657985

I say this out of love - y'all are fucking embarrassing yourselves and if you don't stop, I'm going to drag your ass until you cry uncle.

This is your one and only notice. For all y'alls.

Wanna back that up with an actual argument champ?

https://twitter.com/fire_mage_3000/status/1637983648791269379

COMBINED

FUCKING

ARMS

sure we have fighter jets and Apaches and HIMARs and tube artillery and MBTs and IFVs but if we can't shoot at a jet with the tiniest shittiest little missile with the lowest pK of any AA weapon in the arsenal IT ALL FALLS APART

https://twitter.com/fire_mage_3000/status/1637984880121516033

"AH BLOO BLOO TAIWAN"

yeah wow how DO you maintain access to supply chains like that in a war I guess you need sea control. if only we had eleven aircraft carriers and a massive fleet designed solely to defend them so they can go smash their way through any possible d- WAIT!

Sure the main land threat (i.e. Russia) has just been gutted as a military power for the next thirty years at minimum, meaning the only fight we need to worry about is Norks (lmfao) and China, but we ABSOLUTELY NEED INFANTRY MANEUVER FORCES TO WIN A... naval battle.

bro how are we gonna defend the surface fleet (built entirely of anti-air warfare ships) built around a carrier task force (full of fighter jets with anti-air weapons) from air threats if we can't put guys on the bridge wings with Stingers

bro pls, it's over bro

126 howitzers. Total.

Do you have *any idea* how many 155mm systems there are in the total US ToS? Between Army, Marines and National Guard units (which are deployed into foreign wars?)

We're still the second biggest manufacturer on the planet dipshit

https://twitter.com/fire_mage_3000/status/1637986013208530949

>he went there

SIT DOWN, CLOWN, BECAUSE CLASS IS IN SESSION.

you goan learn 2day

https://twitter.com/fire_mage_3000/status/1637986933216522240

The biggest problem with the (interceptors in US cells) +1 == (number of AScM to buy) is that Americans bring aircraft carriers, and their aircraft carry AMRAAMs, which can take out cruise missiles with marvelous efficiency at long distance from the carrier.

Worst of all, the AMRAAM is small compared to a SAM or a cruise missile, meaning an aircraft carrier can carry a LOT of AMRAAMs. And I do mean a LOT.

Do you have ANY idea how many AMRAAMs we have stockpiled? More than the Chinese have cruise missiles, for fucking sure.

But before you can FIRE cruise missiles, you have to know WHERE to fire them. This is hard, because it requires keeping scout aircraft (usually big slow MPAs giving away their position with surface search radar) alive in airspace the USN wants to own.

This is considered hard.

Perhaps you could use submarines to find them! Except, oops, the two most effective anti-submarine weapons in existence are the aircraft carrier and another submarine, and our aircraft carriers are always escorted by an SSN.

Or maybe you could use satellites - oops, the downlinks are being jammed out by anti-satellite jammers designed by the worlds aerospace/computer tech leader. Wow who could have seen that coming lmao. If the satellites can see anything, they sure can't tell you!

And we're only scratching the fucking surface here. I could mention the potent jamming capability of the EG-18 growler, etc. but I'll just drop this so you've an idea of the kind of stuff the USN *hasn't* disclosed: thedrive.com/the-war-zone/2…

Oh look at that, an image from a training exercise against our own allies, some of the best crews and equipment in the world.

Of course, in real life the sub would have to not only find the carrier task force first, but have the carrier come to *them*

https://twitter.com/fire_mage_3000/status/1637990389612412929

See, the problem with submarines is that even IF you have a nuclear powerplant and thus no battery drain to worry about, if you charge around at 35 knots to chase down a carrier task force moving at full speed, it becomes MUCH MUCH easier to hear you and you eat an ASW torpedo.

This goes double for a sneaky breeki little diesel boat with a battery to manage and only so much AIP fuel to use. To stand any chance of an intercept the sub has to either get very lucky, or have the fleet's position transmitted to it so it can head them off at the strait.

But just in case that does happen some day, we train against our own allies - the best crews in the world, using the best little nasty ninja diesel subs in the world - and when they get the better of us, we sit down and listen when they tell us exactly how they got close enough.

This shit costs money. This shit costs a LOT of money. It costs a staggering amount of money to put ships to sea, to wear out equipment, to stage exercises. And yet, the US does it, because we want to be the best, and we didn't try to 3D print a middle class like China.

Oh no, they absolutely are not invincible. In fact, carriers are very vulnerable, as demonstrated in their first battles in WWII.

That is exactly why the entire story of the post-WWII USN has been an unending obsession with defending the carrier.

https://twitter.com/fire_mage_3000/status/1637991254062686210

The entire fleet around the carrier is designed to defend the carrier. The air wing of the carrier is designed to defend the carrier. There is a dizzying array of missiles for ultra-long-range over-the-horizon intercept to point-blank point defense, all to defend the carrier.

The USN has spent 75 fucking years doing nothing but improving their ability to defend the aircraft carrier; a singleminded focus powered by the best technology on the entire fucking planet.

And even if that isn't enough, we have *eleven* of the damned things.

*Eleven.*

did this motherfucker just forget the battle of MIDWAY?

https://twitter.com/fire_mage_3000/status/1637993575236632577

But it doesn't matter, since we've finally hit the end of the road for this clown; the final retreat into "W-W-W-ELL DRAG QUEEN STORY HOUR SO T-T-THERE!"

You know who else talked this shit non-stop? Putin and Co.

And they're currently getting wasted by Javelins.

>eight fucking months
>"A-A-ANY DAY NOW"
>"T-THE WALLS ARE CLOSING IN"

Soon you will wake up with the words "Mueller is coming" on your lips, and have a horrible moment of dread as you realize what you've become

https://twitter.com/fire_mage_3000/status/1637995184553361408

Then why haven't your vatniks taken it yet

https://twitter.com/fire_mage_3000/status/1637996061406167041

>Bakhmut held largely by Territorial Defense Forces
>Assaulted repeatedly by Wagner

https://twitter.com/fire_mage_3000/status/1637997374525308930

So not even you can deny that Russia has fed Wagner, it's elite unit, into Bakhmut repeatedly in what you insist is a game of attrition that's totally working in Russia's favor

https://twitter.com/fire_mage_3000/status/1637998284282413064

LMAO

https://twitter.com/TheOutgoingMis1/status/1637999313321172997