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Detransitioners at @genspect conference w/ Jet London @funkgodartist Michelle Alleva @TullipR, Camille Kiefel, @helenakerschner, moderated by @BenjaminABoyce. The panellists start by taking us through the timeline of diagnoses, hormones, and surgeries 1/
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@TullipR talks about getting lovebombed as a detransitioner. He worries about trans-identifying people who want to detransition - he talks about going public being a really bad way to deal with the trauma he's been through. 2/
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Detrans is more psychological, emotional and even spiritual than it is physical, says @funkgodartist. "Transition is a maladaptive coping mechanism. She agrees "detransition" is not an ideal word - thinks of herself more of a medical trauma survivor. 3/
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She says that she doesn't like the martyr/saviour label that they often get from the public, but "detransitioner" is neutral. "I feel like I've been used politically," says Camille Kiefer, who suffers complications from a "non-binary double mastectomy". 4/
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What does detransition mean to you? "Getting out of that obsession about your presentation and how other people perceive you," says Jet London. @helenakerschner says being a public detransitioner is not for the faint-hearted. She worries for other detransitioners 5/
She adds, "I felt a massive moral compulsion to talk about it - but there has to be a way to talk about it without going public." She says there's a real danger of getting straight into another belief system. 5/
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@TullipR and Camille talk about the commodification of detrainsitioners. She recounts being billed second at a speaking event because her story was less powerful. Ritchie kept being asked to "testify". Some journalists act really entitled, he says 7/
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Michelle Alleva says "None of us have been trained in public speaking" or talking to the media. And they put pressure on themselves to get better at it. "The media presents us as 'ruined'", says Camille Kiefer. "Lots of trauma porn" says @TullipR 8/
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Unfortunately therapy will only take you so far, says @TullipR. He says he was once introduced on a show by the presenter who said, "So Ritchie, you ruined your life!". (He's a little bit right, he concedes, but not totally)
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What helps you? asks @BenjaminABoyce. Other detransitioners, says @TullipR without missing a beat, "..trauma bonding." We are very much guinea pigs, he says, because nobody knows what to do about detransitioners. 10/
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@funkgodartist says interviewers focus on the most traumatic parts of detrainsitioners' stories - and then they will ask: "Are you happy now?" Every interview, she says, ends with the story in the present, but the future is not discussed.

"Journalists escalate the chaos" 11/
Jet was diagnosed and treated in the Dutch system - and totally trusted the clinicians. But the treatment never worked. She didn't function for 7 years and couldn't figure out why. Detransition brought clarity: "I was a woman pretending to be a man, on heavy drugs." 12/
She was eager to speak to journalists - especially since she was treated by @amsterdamumc, where puberty blockers were first tested on kids. But after she burned out, she had to stop. 13/ #GenspectBiggerPicture
Helena Kerschner: "I was a true believer. I was one of those people with an anime avatar." After the scales fell from her eyes, she couldn't trust herself anymore. The "answer-seeking" mission detransitioners go on is a risk for falling down another rabbit hole, she says. 14/
An abundance mindset, says @funkgodartist, helps to cope. Michelle Alleva mentions an article called (I think) "The opposite of gender dysphoria", in which a woman talks about how a hike helped her love her body. 15/ #GenspectBiggerPicture
Jet London thinks the hormones, particularly puberty blockers, were the thing that caused her disassociation. She stopped taking testosterone only 10 months ago. She feels like she is finally going through her *own* natural sexual development. 16/ #GenspectBiggerPicture
I was always denying my femininity, says Camille Kiefel, and now I have embraced it. Fashion helps, she says. 17/ #GenspectBiggerPicture
The conference room is completely hushed. Detransitioners talking about the major and minor griefs and losses they've experienced - it's just so powerful while @EuropeanPATH, meeting in the same town today, talk about perpetuating the same harm. Unbelievable. 18/

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@LisaLittman1 got emails from therapists thanking her for her research, telling her they had witnessed ROGD in their own practice. But the research, she said, "touched a nerve." Knowing laughs break out in the room. 2/
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"My criticism of the conversion therapy bans is that they are useless. It doesn't happen." I know from my own research that this is the same in Belgium and France, too. 2/
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@genspect Alasdair Gunn takes the stage. Talks about how he met a bunch of parents of trans boys, about whom not much had been written at all, published about it in @Quillette. 1/
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Panel with @cwknews @sueevansprotect and @stellaomalley3. A woman from the States asks Davies-Arai about book bans in her country. There is an instinct to ban the books - but getting rid of the books will not make these beliefs disappear. 1/
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@cwknews: I think the answer is education because you won't put this genie back in the bottle. Provide alternatives, like @RooneyRachel's My Body Is Me. We need more books that challenge the idea you have to change your body. @Transgendertrd has another one in the pipeline. 2/
I'm glad nobody tried to take my pain away from me when I was growing up, says Davies-Arai. Clinical psychologist gets up and says yes, we need alternatives. But the UK institutions will just see alternatives as transphobic. 3/
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Apr 28
Here's @sueevansprotect at the @genspect event. "Listening yesterday reminded me about how complex we all are - we shouldn't apply definitive statements in this area." 1/

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Starts talking about minds, babies and Freud stuff. Some people deal better with trauma, but we all have to learn that we don't always come first, to separate from our carers, and deal with it. That makes healthy minds. 2/
She said the kids coming to GIDS (Tavistock) reminded her of the adolescents she saw who had anorexia, other mental health disorders. Some of them had "cut themselves off", like "something has been gotten rid of." There was a deadness about them - monosyllabic answers. 3/
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Stephanie Davies-Arai (@cwknews) next up at @genspect conference. She wants to talk about the concept of "trans kids". Shows an old pic of two tomboys dressed in typical boy clothes. What happened to these 2 girls? 1/
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The picture was her and her sister. She struggled against puberty and womanhood - or more precisely, she was struggling against what society told her a woman was in a sexist 70s culture.

"I want to know what has changed." 2/
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The cultural landscape for girls has gotten so intense - Instagram, with its impossible standards, violent and degrading porn on smartphones... and gender identity is being taught in schools as fact. 3/
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