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New thread for @ZUCKERKJ at @genspect #GenspectBiggerPicture. Really starting to feel like a medical congress now. 1/
Zucker talking about why and how gender identity disorder got into the DSM-3. 2/
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Key reasons why kids were turning up at his Toronto clinic back in the day:
Feelings of dysphoria
Social ostracism
Mental health probs
Family dynamics
Parents worried about kid being gay 3/
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@ZUCKERKJ lists a bunch of follow up studies on persistence and desistance in children - the studies all had laughably low numbers (as low as 4). 4/
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@ZUCKERKJ went on a mission to find out who came uP with the term "watchful waiting" because he didn't know what it really meant - and realised it was he himself in an editorial! lol 5/
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This is what we know, from these small studies, about the persistence of gender dysphoria in kids, says @ZUCKERKJ - his own Toronto study showed about 12% in both females and males. 6/
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Very similar findings on sexual orientation at different sites - a very high percentage of boys with dysphoria when younger turned out to be same-sex attracted. "Some people hate these follow-up studies," because of diff methods, lost-to-follow-up... 7/
But some argued, says Biggs, that anyone who desisted was not trans to begin with (the No True Scotsman argument). He shows figures for persisters; 88 and desisters: 280. Of the desisters, 60% had a strong gender dysphoria diagnosis. 8/ #GenspectBiggerPicture
This showed that there were plenty of gender dysphoric kids who ended up desisting. Social transition wasn't a thing back then. 9/
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@ZUCKERKJ shows a picture from Jazz Jennings' book: "I have a girl's brain in a boy's body." 10/
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He shows graphs that he claims demonstrates that social transition is a *predictor* of persistence. "In 2006 we started to see kids in the clinic who had already socially transitioned." He compared them to those who had not socially transitioned. 11/
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Suggest there are correlates of social transition (social class, age etc but that's a story for another day). Says Tavistock in 2012-2016 was seeing kids who had already socially transitioned (86% for boys!), some very young.
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Which therapeutic approach should be taken to reduce gender dysphoria? Watchful waiting, social transition, psycho-education or psychotherapy? @ZUCKERKJ says none should be privileged over any other and no *outcome* should be privileged over others. 13/
Parents jsut need to know what the odds are of one approach over another - where it will go. But to decide on the optimal approach, we need many other different kinds of data, says @ZUCKERKJ. /End
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Apr 29
Goodbye from Genspect! @stellaomalley3says the 3 papers discussed will be published online. Slides will be available. 1720 viewers watching the livestream! Mentions some lovely wins. A @genspect member wearing her lanyard was stopped by a local who said the town was so proud /1
(running to catch a train to Dublin - will tweet final thoughts when I’ve stopped moving) 2/
Highlights for me, personally, at @genspect: meeting and shaking hands with @kaltial, who led Finland out of the darkness (at least for now) and led to Sweden and Norway stopping hormones for kids. Rumours are that Denmark might be next. 3/
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Apr 29
Last talk of the @genspect conference by @LisaMarchiano 1/ #GenspectBiggerPicture
Difference between young people going to war, or getting a tattoo is that we never tell people that this will solve their problems. Detransitioners blame themselves, but @LisaMarchiano tells detransitioners that adults told them this would solve their problems. 2/
Talks about a woman who helped her daughter transition and then started to get dizzy and disorientated when out for walks - the result of her falsification of reality, says @LisaMarchiano 3/ #GenspectBiggerPicture
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Apr 29
Here's @elizamondegreen: Have to thank @EuropeanPATH because they closed out their conference by blasting the song "Don't stop believin'" lol - she says it would have been a great title for her talk. 1/ #GenspectBiggerPicture
Eliza will be talking about the internet (*the cause of, and solution to, all of our problems, to paraphrase Homer Simpson). 2/
She trawled and analysed Reddit communities set up for "trans" girls/women. She says there is a lot of helping to prep for the medical visits to make sure they get what they want. Doubt is not welcome. Same at @EuropeanPATH. 3/
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Apr 29
The @genspect talk on autogynephilia by @jburgo55 1/ #GenspectBiggerPicture
Recounts the story of "David" who grew up with alcoholic/hoarder parents. He grew up in madness. He was full of anxiety about fires, collapse, monsters. He was constantly alert. Spent his entire life trying to ward off disaster. He's full of what @jburgo55 calls "core shame" 2/
David felt repulsive and ugly, a dumpster kid. Was able to fit in with others by observing them closely. When he first started watching porn, he found that degradation attracted him most. Couldn't identify with the men in the videos. 3/
Read 9 tweets
Apr 29
The Lost Boys panel at @genspect moderated by @BenjaminABoyce. Corrina from @heterodorx asks the audience to shout out his pronouns. A chorus of HE/HIM and laughs. He talks about lack of male role models and the role it probs played in is transition 1/
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He said he was lost. He wanted a way out. @marcuse99903226 says boys without fathers often can't find themselves, there is nobody to help mediate the relationship between him and his mother. @jburgo55 says messaging makes men out to be toxic. They feel bad about themselves. 2/
Escaping into a female identity is a way to escape shame about being predatory or other male tropes, @jburgo55 adds. I often point out to boys the ways that are masculine but who don't recognise as masculine. Vocation (work) helps, says Alasdair Gunn 3/
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Apr 29
Education: we have to resist the indoctrination of a generation, says @anliathluachra on the next @genspect panel. 1/
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@iseult: let's not ban books! All parents should have the option to opt out of the national curriculum. @ColetteColfer, who teaches at university level, got an all-staff email presenting the uni's new progress pride badges that staff can wear to show how open they are (!) 2/
Yes, says @ColetteColfer, let's teach *about* gender identity - but not that everyone HAS a gender identity. Same with flat earth, creationism, says Estelle Birdy. I'm worried about morality-based teaching, and I have concerns about sex education 3/
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