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If you own $HD $LOW $FND or other home improvement & housing linked names like $POOL or $SITE, Zonda is a great resource for industry data

Zonda recently hosted a webinar that had some very interesting data points

Some key notes

zondahome.com/building-produ… Image
KPI’s like housing starts, home prices, home equity & mortgage rates are seen as classic primary drivers of demand for the industry & names like $HD, $LOW & $FND

Zonda noted real personal income actually has the highest correlation to changes in home improvement spending though Image
Due to inflation outstripping wages, real personal income has been in decline y/y now for ~14 mos since 3/22

Combined with moderating home prices & increased rates, trends typically would imply a -15-20% decline in remodeling spend based on historic periods, per Zonda’s analysis Image
What we are actually seeing is more of an implied ~MSD decline via ’23 guidance from names like $HD, $LOW, $FND, $POOL and $SITE and ~MSD/HSD declines for building products co’s like $TREX, & $AZEK

So whats going on here? Why is this period different? Image
By now, everyone is well aware of mitigating factors like record home equity, outdated homes, and demographic secular demand drivers

What many may be missing, and a bigger near-term driver, is a large excess savings buffer generated during 2020-2021
Unprecedented stimulus coupled with closures of key sectors like travel, entertainment, dining out, etc. conferred consumers large excess savings over 2020-2021

Zonda est. close to ~$2 trillion in excess savings, equivalent to a full year of normalized savings pre-covid Image
This massive excess savings base is supporting home improvement demand – but is being drawn down as real income declines

About half has been depleted, with ~1yr of buffer left at current real income decline rates – creating risk to 2H’23 and 2024 demand if declines are sustained Image
Using FRED data on personal savings, I come up with pretty similar cumulative excess savings vs. 2019 est. on a nominal and inflation adj. basis

See below ImageImage
All in, Zonda sees risks mounting for 2H’23 and early 2024

Forecasts a -7-9% decline in building products revenue in 2023 - 2H’23 weighted
(not a home improvement forecast FYI)

Zonda is still highly bullish long term though, expecting a strong recovery following the downturn Image
I really like how Zonda frames the long term outlook for the remodeling space...

“Decade of 2020-30 will likely be remembered as ‘The Golden Age of Remodeling’, but with a nasty cyclical slowdown in the middle” Image
Changing gears to key data points…

Zonda provided some interesting data on projects by homeowner income

We know from JCHS that R&R skews towards higher income consumers (~70% >$80k),

Project income distribution varies very meaningfully though... Image
Unsurprising high-income mix for areas like pools & decks as you’d expect

Flooring had much higher low-income mix than I expected though, with Zonda seeing flooring as a key bellwether for the industry due to this & its higher discretionary nature...an important point for $FND Image
Zonda also is seeing a major shift across the board in ROI for most project categories

Key theme is ROI’s on exterior projects are seeing improvement while interior project ROI’s have declined meaningfully

Good for names like $JHX, bad for names like $FND Image
Zonda provided some interesting data on contractor backlogs

While public co’s like $FND and $SITE have noted normalization, but still strong backlogs, Zonda saw very material contraction in Q1 that points to a 2H’23 slowdown Image
Probably the most valuable chart in the presentation is Zonda’s building products data on brand awareness & commitment, the later a measure of loyalty

A collection of brands like $TREX $AZEK $OC (insulation) & $LII (HVAC) have considerably better awareness & loyalty vs peers Image
Zonda’s homeowner NPS data by purchase yr vs. remodeling intent also very intriguing

Data reveals a “matching problem” – an exceptionally tight housing market over '20-'22 resulted in many buyers being unhappy with the home & is driving a higher propensity to remodel vs others Image
In addition, anyone that bought over the last 2-10yrs, despite having high NPS, also has high remodeling intent via substantial home price appreciation and high levels of home equity

Zonda sees these two groups driving the bulk of remodeling demand
Zonda had an important call out on big boxes $HD & $LOW too

Both benefited over ’20-’22 from supply chain constraints & record demand, capturing many pro customers as typical pro suppliers struggled to source inventory Image
Pro’s acquired tended to be smaller & lower performing contractors though

In Q1 these pro's are seeing the steepest volume declines & pricing pressure in their businesses

$LOW appears to be getting hit the hardest Image
Changing gears, on home construction – Zonda has proprietary data around conversion rates

You'd think with mortgage rates up conversion would be down – you’d be wrong – builder traffic conversion rates are still well above 2019 levels and remain comparable to 2020-2022 levels Image
In addition to conversions, and despite a material decline in starts – the backlog of single and multifamily housing in construction is massive…

Total at the highest ever recorded driven by record multifamily construction Image
All in, came away really impressed with Zonda’s webinar

Provided a wide array of data and insights – a lot more than covered in this thread

I highly recommend those interested to take the time to listen to the entire webinar...link below

zondahome.com/building-produ…

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1| Home Depot $HD Q4'22 Earnings
$HD's Q4’22 release provided some important read throughs on the home improvement market and names like $FND. The following thread is a collection of some key takeaways from my notes.
2| Results
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