wuhan chupacabra Profile picture
Jun 12, 2023 76 tweets 65 min read Read on X
archive.md/2sAST
No matter how you slice the data the issue is simply that the low total abundance species effect is easily countered against by comparison of correlation within the positive samples themselves ImageImageImageImage
Image
The most raccoon dog DNA are actually found in negative stalls and samples—and it failed to correlate at all within W6-29-33 (negative correlation) or within the positive samples, or within any samples.
archive.md/csYBM ImageImageImageImage
Homo Sapiens is in every sample and was the only reliably and consistently positively correlated species within W6-29-33.
archive.md/JSQvc ImageImageImageImage
It is all toilets and sampler boot prints.
archive.md/CTP3i archive.md/ETjzS archive.md/BWZJL ImageImageImageImage
The stall with most positive samples out of all sampling was W4-26-28, the stall closest to the toilets.
archive.md/gvHfw archive.md/RirQ7 ImageImageImageImage
Image
In fact in both Jan01 and in Jan12 the stall with most positive samples were the stall closest to the toilets—W4-28(2/2), outside surface of W4-26-28(5/6) for Jan01, and W6-29-33 in Jan12 was the closest sampled stall at that day to the toilets. ImageImage
archive.md/CTP3i archive.md/ETjzS archive.md/BWZJL
The rules: must be contacted by a sampler. 🥼👖👢=positive.
archive.md/NeybM archive.md/2PM9Y archive.md/RirQ7
Must not be frequently handled by a vendor. 🥩🥬🍄🛁📻☎️📦🧺=negative. Image
Both sampler-linked contamination and differential stability of SARS-CoV-2 RNA on surfaces causes the results.
sciencedirect.com/science/articl…
SARs-CoV-2 RNA stability: Fresh PPE> New bangladesh banknotes > Old bangladesh banknotes.
nature.com/articles/s4159…
medrxiv.org/content/10.110…
Wastewater from toilets>high touch surfaces in train stations.
imperial.ac.uk/news/213133/im…
High touch=low stability.
archive.md/rSaO9 archive.md/ef2JW This is such an obvious problem, if the issue with toilets was not properly addressed the "wildlife stalls" myth just become toilet-associated contamination mediated by samplers, they bleached the toilet area before sampling it. ImageImageImageImage
archive.md/LJzSO archive.md/4cCHG archive.md/YGDiK Q61 is caused by cross-contamination. ImageImage
Q70 was also caused by cross-contamination. ImageImage
Q37 is caused by contaminated sampler suits touching the lip of the sample tube during sampling of an awkward position (thus contaminating the medium only at the second withdrawal for NGS) and then confirmation bias on snakes caused specific, poorly controlled sampling that Image
onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/jm…
Contaminated the stall with artifacts in a later date, even though the location of Q37 was no longer positive. As reads align over the ORF1ab qPCR primers, negative PCR indicate contamination of sample happened after PCR and before NGS. ImageImageImageImage
Jan01 sampling there were also negative. ImageImage
PCR-/NGS+ mean contaminated sample—the convention is to verify RNA-seq results with qPCR after determine which sequence to look at and design primer on. NGS especially the Illumina platform (43bp libraries) are highly prone to process-linked and cross-contamination due to their ImageImageImageImage
Complicated library preparation process. Cross-contamination is a form of systematic bias,
archive.md/LJzSO
And it occurred Alongside one less systematic process-linked contamination instance as well in Jan12 sampling. ImageImageImageImage
The sample positivity in the market is more predicted by object type than epidemiology—none of the “everyday objects” Even those used by human cases in human case stalls were positive, even stalls with positive samples and no wildlife DNA in these samples.
archive.md/NeybM
Sampler👖👢🥼=positive. archive.md/CTP3i
Vendor🔪🥩🧺📦🥛📱🪜🛁📥=negative.
archive.md/ETjzS
archive.md/BWZJL
archive.md/NeybM
archive.md/KLkHS ImageImage
SARS-CoV-2 RNA is actually highly unstable on high-touch surfaces, such as vendor items, knives and chopping blocks, cashiers, phones, monitors, ladders, fishbowls, boxes and baskets. It is most stable within sewage and on fresh sampler PPE. ImageImage
We do know that if something is frequently handled (vs not handled and clean), nature.com/articles/s4159…
The stability of SARS-CoV-2 RNA is reduced from over a month to less than 3 days.
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/P…
hutchisonintl.com/product-page/c…
Unfortunately, whatever “non-inactivating virus preservation solution” of Gao et al didn’t contain an RNAse inhibitor. (See the list of components).
Once inside the liquid medium, RNAses is free to diffuse and if present, destroys all cell-and virion-free RNA and SARS-CoV-2 virion RNA within minutes and hours during sample transportation and storage.
archive.md/NeybM ImageImageImageImage
medrxiv.org/content/10.110…
imperial.ac.uk/news/213133/im…
This applies to objects and conditions for public spaces that are outside the market as well. Toilet contamination lead to positives, direct handling lead to negative results.
archive.md/BWZJL archive.md/2PM9Y
Of course, the real problem here is that raccoon dogs are just not susceptible at all to natural infections by any strain of SARS-CoV-2.
archive.md/yyX0Z archive.md/4rVph archive.md/iw1Pz archive.md/DChUL
No evidence at all that any non-human animal shed the SARS-CoV-2 in that “stall”.
archive.md/T2u0S ImageImageImageImage
archive.is/QWngz
Also, A20 was the least consistent sample out of all Gao et al “samples” in the “data”. archive.md/ANS4Q
In fact, the other major challenge for archive.md/q4ZDV archive.md/QkFbk fur farmed species in general is that fur farming is practiced only in Northern China, where no SC2r-CoV is found in bats—and their low pricing have meant that any kind of smuggling of wild- ImageImageImageImage
Caught specimens unprofitable, restricting any such supply to within the municipal borders of Wuhan—again all negative. ImageImage
ImageImageImageImage
ImageImageImageImage
ImageImageImage
They in fact, did trace to the suppliers to the HSM. Results are all negative.
academic.oup.com/ve/article/8/1…
Raccoon dogs that were tested in China were also negative, the same result as their European bretheren. pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35298912/
archive.md/8JhAb are responsible for shedding the SARS-CoV-2 in the market. Image
Query “which species shed the virus in the stall W6-29-33” give the same result as querying “which species shed the virus in the positive samples”.
archive.md/0A24q
archive.md/JSQvc
–Both normalizes against bad spatial distribution and unrelated confounding causes. ImageImage
archive.md/LJzSO
Them not banning fur farming clearly indicate that they weren’t thinking them as “public health hazards”.
As long as there is even a single non-food use of a species, it is simply relabeled as “livestock” and returned to the markets. ImageImageImageImage
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/P……Investigation using serological testing of SARS-CoV-2 in foxes, jackals or wild boars, as well as animals in the zoo in Croatia, found no evidence of either SARS-CoV-2 RNA or neutralizing antibodies to SARS-CoV-2.
sciencedirect.com/science/articl…
They tried to test their raccoon dog and fox farms—all of which are found in northern China because fur animals need a winter to have their pelts to mature—and zero infections were found. They are all kept where bats with the right CoVs were completely
Absent and where transmission from bats to any of these farmed canids are not possible.
academic.oup.com/ve/article/8/1…
Freuling is fraudulent. journals.plos.org/plosone/articl…
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36423168/
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/P…
Despite active surveillance in Europe, no reports of raccoon dog infections were seen and no replication of Freuling et al were ever confirmed.
journals.asm.org/doi/full/10.11…
no natural infections of raccoon dogs detected here either.
the only law that was passed in China in response to the pandemic mentioned et markets in only one article: “It is forbidden to introduce used experimental animals into the market”. “禁止将使用后的实验动物流入市场”.
npc.gov.cn/npc/c30834/202…
chinalawtranslate.com/biosecurity-la…
Minimal fines: CNY 200000 (US $29850+)—20 times the maximal fines for selling equivalent wild animals seen in the Xiao Xiao list) for selling or otherwise allowing used experimental animals into the marketplace. They clearly were concerned on 🐁🐒>🦝🦔 Image
Despite surveillance, no raccoon dogs were ever found naturally infected anywhere in the world. As for the other species? Not even experimental evidence of infection is found.
archive.md/4rVph archive.md/yyX0Z archive.md/DChUL
There is a systematic form of bias with cross-contamination—same stall are processed on same rack too. archive.md/LJzSO
Why only the stall that is closest to the toilets was positive? The same reason why within that stall only Homo Sapiens reads show consistent and reliable positive correlation with SARS-CoV-2 reads. ImageImageImageImage
ImageImageImageImage
All everyday objects (Cashiers, Fishbowls, Chopping blocks and knives, waster cups, phones, monitors, boxes and baskets) in the market as well as all sites where contact with sampler suits, pants and boots are unlikely (surface of food, water in basins) were negative. ImageImage
Did they practice aseptic techniques during sampling? Not really. Samplers and cleanup workers go side by side on same days. Most weren’t even researchers—volunteers that have poor knowledge or no knowledge at all on keeping the scene uncontaminated. The samplers brought in ImageImageImageImage
The main source of contamination, not vendors or animals. archive.md/ETjzS
Outer layers of sampler gloves, sampler boot covers left discarded on the site, also happens to be some of the most contaminated samples in the market. ImageImage
In Jan 01, the most positives were found in stall W4-26-28, the stall closest to the toilets—outside of W4-26-28, 2/2 W4-28 and 3/4 W4-26 (5/9 for all W4-26-28 samples). In Jan12, W6-29-33 is the stall closest to the toilets that were sampled at that time.
(2/2 positive for W4-28, 5/6 positive for outside surface of W4-26-28, 5/9 for W4-26/28) This is characteristic of sampler-linked contamination with the toilets as the main contamination source. archive.md/gvHfw ImageImage
SARS-CoV-2 RNA is most stable in sewage and things associated with the toilets, and least stable on objects receiving frequent handling.
sciencedirect.com/science/articl…
nature.com/articles/s4159…
archive.md/2PM9Y archive.md/RirQ7 ImageImageImageImage
archive.md/ETjzS archive.md/BWZJL
Must be contacted and contaminated by a sampler, must not be frequently and directly handled by a vendor. ImageImageImageImage
ImageImageImageImage
Regardless of which slice you use, there is just no evidence at all of positive correlation between raccoon dogs and SARS-CoV-2. archive.md/A892b archive.md/7doR8 archive.md/Ttn5P archive.md/0A24q ImageImageImageImage
Contradicting what C-C claims; the “positive sewage and waster samples” have a host composition that is characteristic of the toilets—and not of the wildlife stalls. Image
archive.md/NeybM toilets and infected samplers. archive.md/ETjzS archive.md/BWZJL archive.md/KLkHS
Contamination and cross-contamination. archive.md/YGDiK All sewage well samples including those with reads say toilets not wildlife stalls. ImageImageImageImage
archive.md/Sokty archive.md/FskYn
when most if not all your samplers and cleanup workers were private contractors (Jiangwei......) or volunteers you enlist on an emergency, without any serious training on scene preservation or on aseptic techniques ImageImageImageImage
(doubtful that even the WCDC itself received any training on scene preservation or the techniques necessary to prevent unconscious contamination or cross-contamination between objects or from themselves to the objects during sampling, as this is a strictly forensic technique that
only specialist forensic investigators in the police department in China receive mandatory training on), then you are most likely getting far more that were caused by your own contamination compared archive.md/gvHfw to any contamination that was originally there.
These are volunteers, not professional forensic investigators—they are neither trained for evidence preservation or scene preservation, nor are they even experienced in aseptic techniques before other than some simple instructions. These breaks down rapidly once the work begun, Image
Leading to contamination happening everywhere and becoming the primary and likely only source of positive samples within the market. Then there are decontamination efforts happening inbetween sampling, including the bleaching of the entire toilet area prior to any samples that ImageImageImageImage
May propose an alternative hypothesis than “illegal wildlife trade” were being taken. Also, the list of samples in Gao et al notably did not contain a sample from the toilets themselves. archive.md/rSaO9
Details on object type, touch status and research articles regarding skin nucleases and stability of SARS-CoV-2 RNA in relation to human touch. archive.md/2PM9YThis extend to other surfaces outside the market as well. archive.md/RirQ7
@threadreaderapp unroll

• • •

Missing some Tweet in this thread? You can try to force a refresh
 

Keep Current with wuhan chupacabra

wuhan chupacabra Profile picture

Stay in touch and get notified when new unrolls are available from this author!

Read all threads

This Thread may be Removed Anytime!

PDF

Twitter may remove this content at anytime! Save it as PDF for later use!

Try unrolling a thread yourself!

how to unroll video
  1. Follow @ThreadReaderApp to mention us!

  2. From a Twitter thread mention us with a keyword "unroll"
@threadreaderapp unroll

Practice here first or read more on our help page!

More from @WuhanChupacabra

Nov 28, 2023
@GVdFrnRWbN18944 Look at the Alphavirus nsp1-nsp4 vesicle. Just some simple changed, like with more nsp1-nsp4, less membrane curvature, and you are talking about the very beginning of a Totivirus/Partitivitus. The surface would be decorated with Spike,
Image
Image
@GVdFrnRWbN18944 which loves positive curvature space. Simple selection early on would rapidly drive nsp1 evolution where more of the nsp1-nsp4 complex would tile the vesicles, which already have the tendency to enter exosomes as Alphavirus replication occur on the inside of Endosomes.
Image
Image
@GVdFrnRWbN18944 This then become an de-facto Nucleocapsid from hydrophobic interaction between adjacent nsp1 proteins, originally designed to insert into membranes. The Spike would meanwhile enter the surface of the vesicles, creating an enveloped dsRNA virus that is very hard to neutralize.
Image
Image
Read 5 tweets
Aug 3, 2023
"At this stage, the nearest relatives to SARS-CoV-2 are found in Yunnan and Laos. The only known link to Wuhan is the Wuhan Institute of Virology sampled both locations and have refused to share their SrCVs with WHO or the NIH." https://t.co/HO1ipQdFwXthebulletin.org/2022/08/nih-to…
Image
And it physically can’t exist in the wildlife trade because https://t.co/Yfzh8Qbeep if that was the case it would have caused an initial outbreak lineage in Guangdong as well. https://t.co/y1RXx1TeIV this is consistent with no relatives found in Chinesearchive.md/e3615
archive.md/vWjZl
archive.md/iw1Pz
https://t.co/7X9t4UsA0y animals or the wildlife trade. https://t.co/ryEXlUmrXU https://t.co/DC6HCwu2kJ https://t.co/uaq66eO2Nj https://t.co/F5Dy3afxEq https://t.co/fNrQ0k6Hm5 https://t.co/0sUtrzZ4ZD https://t.co/Vn6ih4knLCarchive.md/4rVph
archive.md/DChUL
archive.md/T2u0S
archive.md/Ttn5P
archive.md/HlJ9o
archive.md/2sAST
archive.md/lI04H
archive.md/A892b
archive.md/7doR8
Read 68 tweets
Aug 2, 2023
Sorry, but raccoon dogs were still entirely non-susceptible, and there is no evidence that any of the mammals shed the virus in those Q* samples other than Homo Sapiens.

Response to that vanityfair article.archive.md/8JhAb
there is neither evidence of an infected animal in these “wildlife stalls” nor there is any evidence that raccoon dogs can be infected. https://t.co/sqHRpnQp2b https://t.co/GjvVRvppA6archive.md/dx2EM
archive.md/NMerN



Image
Image
Image
Image
There were never a raccoon dog found naturally infected anywhere in the world. All of the “positive samples with raccoon dogs” had Homo sapiens in them alongside. the correlation is always negative regardless of slice. https://t.co/zBEocsohXE https://t.co/FRlTE7RsOaarchive.md/LJzSO
archive.md/0A24q



Image
Image
Image
Image
Read 33 tweets
Aug 2, 2023
Unfortunately neither civets nor bamboo rats have any evidence at all for their natural susceptibility to infection (or even experimental susceptibility), and none of the civets, mustelids or bamboo rats were in positive correlation again regardless of slice


Image
Image
Image
Image
In fact, no experimental evidence at all regarding their susceptibility, even in parts, exists for bamboo rats. And as for civets—the ACE2 is non-binding. Image
If you query “Which species shed the SARS-CoV-2 sequences in the positive samples” or “Which species shed the SARS-CoV-2 in stall W6-29-33” by correlation within the positive samples or the stall itself, both normalize against the pathological spatial distribution
Image
Image
Read 12 tweets
Aug 2, 2023
https://t.co/osO8xutbYD https://t.co/cD8wXSRQUk there is neither evidence of an infected animal in these “wildlife stalls” nor https://t.co/DV1jlqeCLl https://t.co/qrgnbyMiLE https://t.co/4CME3Cv0CW there is any evidence that raccoon dogs can be infected.archive.md/LJzSO
archive.md/T2u0S
archive.md/JSQvc
archive.md/4rVph
archive.md/yyX0Z
archive.md/DChUL
RNA stability: Fresh PPE> New bangladesh banknotes > Old bangladesh banknotes. https://t.co/6frewsZmjs https://t.co/xtEPpsRlDw from toilets>high touch surfaces in train stations. https://t.co/2wB6rRukr2 High touch=low stability.
https://t.co/WbSGe4iQ7Ssciencedirect.com/science/articl…
nature.com/articles/s4159…
medrxiv.org/content/10.110…
imperial.ac.uk/news/213133/im…
archive.md/8JhAb
As all of the positive samples in the market stalls https://t.co/TRYwoSp1ZO https://t.co/KKct9nG8fU https://t.co/OD2kl2kXXM https://t.co/9fNjdJ6ceZ https://t.co/ApzqIxZDzl Came from Contamination and cross-contamination.archive.md/NeybM
archive.md/CTP3i
archive.md/ETjzS
archive.md/BWZJL
archive.md/KLkHS
archive.md/RirQ7
Read 47 tweets
Jul 17, 2023
Only samplers will buy the overpriced “live raccoon dogs” because only they have the specific need of taking A amount of animal X ad market Y for sampling.archive.md/QkFbk
Inside the mystical “raccoon dog stall” itself, only Homo Sapiens was in consistent positive correlation with the 10 samples taken.archive.md/n9o0f
Everything else landed on different sections of the ground compared to SARS-CoV-2. Only Homo Sapiens are found on the same sections of the ground as SARS-CoV-2. https://t.co/DC6HCwu2kJarchive.md/JSQvc
archive.md/Ttn5P
Read 27 tweets

Did Thread Reader help you today?

Support us! We are indie developers!


This site is made by just two indie developers on a laptop doing marketing, support and development! Read more about the story.

Become a Premium Member ($3/month or $30/year) and get exclusive features!

Become Premium

Don't want to be a Premium member but still want to support us?

Make a small donation by buying us coffee ($5) or help with server cost ($10)

Donate via Paypal

Or Donate anonymously using crypto!

Ethereum

0xfe58350B80634f60Fa6Dc149a72b4DFbc17D341E copy

Bitcoin

3ATGMxNzCUFzxpMCHL5sWSt4DVtS8UqXpi copy

Thank you for your support!

Follow Us!

:(